Beware of junscissorhands.

[Blue_Angel]

Uh is that pronounced "ca-ching crock"?? Either a fake name to make fun of victims, or his parents didnt like him.

Btw chances are he has scammed before on forums. Just like the john legends, charles hampshires, etc.... many of them repeat the same crap then change names. Then their followers continue looking for the secret long after theyre gone. Ive explained it many times because i can do ip activity traces, but some people thought i was lying and just trying to censor the hg.

No, I think sounds like cok or choke!
How about the "Win 3 million now" scam?
How so many people fall with so blatant deception, I get it, when there is something they WANT to believe then reason steps aside!

[Steve]

The level of ignorance in some people is truly astounding. To the point where i can't understand how they function daily. Seriously. I just don't get it.

I mean it's ok to not understand some things. But to have it spoon fed and still reject it, and even attack the person explaining blatant truth, is strange.

Anyway i didn't think the scammed people have much chance of getting money back. Your best chance is report to your local police, with each report giving details of others that were scammed. The police are useless though. You have to really persist if you want them to get off their asses. Police are to protect the system that enslaves you, not to protect you. Most police don't even understand that.

I mean sure police can protect and serve you sometimes, but that's not their primary function.

[Herby]

REGENBOOG STRAAT 33

Regenbogenstrasse -> rainbow street

[RouletteGhost]

Essentially internet forums are dying off

They are littered with undesirables and sellers. As well as people looking for scouts to check wheels for them

Can’t talk about strategies anymore

Nothing matters and nothing can work even if results are positive. Why fight that uphill battle anymore?

It’s sad actually. But hey, it is what it is.

Look at GF. That’s top of the food chain for undesirables and it’s really sad.

[luckyfella]

. ..i can do ip activity traces, but some people thought i was lying....

Ofc you can
You have access to PMs

Simple solution that for some weird reason(we all know) you refuse to accept -



More important, don't part money to any seller of books, video or systems, or AP or roulette computers or whatever.

You have been warned.

[RouletteGhost]

You are only paying money because it’s not good enough to make money.

[luckyfella]

You are only paying money because it’s not good enough to make money.

"not good enough" is an overstatement

Trash is about right 

[The General]

When an infection of ignorance runs it's course, the system junkies become low hanging fruit for the gypsies and scam sellers.  If the Junscissorhand scam seller didn't take all of your gambling bankroll then you can bet another gypsy will take the rest.   

My suggestion, learn the basics.  Read on the history of the game.  Learn some basic probability and listen to the experts.

Ghost,

Pay close attention, because this could easily have been you that lost the money.

[RouletteGhost]

False, loser. I wouldn’t pay money,
Especially that kind of money for “vaddi holy grail” bullshit

Go back into the hole you crawled out of General.

You only fall into my description in this thread. You tried to sell a book. Because what you say you do doesn’t work. The book would have been more profitable. Spill the beans loser.

[The General]

False, loser. I wouldn’t pay money,
Especially that kind of money for “vaddi holy grail” bullshit

Question, what makes you think the Vaddi is bullshit but the "trot" or "grassroots" isn't?   

[RouletteGhost]

Nothing can beat the house edge/math

Some methods work better than others

Never play with money you can’t afford to lose.

Play for a statistically insignificant number of wins

Have fun and eat good food

[Mako]

For my part, I know very badly what happened to Kanam.
It is very sad that someone cheats on you in that way, but sometimes you pay attention to those who are really scammers and to whom we are not, they say scammers are to know us about anything.
I wish he had trusted me and not him, I would not have cheated him and I would have taught him how to win.
I did not send anything to that person, Ami years ago the same thing happened to me with an Italian, I sent him money and he sent me a system crap, then he told me that he had something better and he sent me another one that did not work until the game and I saw that I only took my money, so I said that I would never cheat anyone because I know what it is, but nobody paid attention to me and they believed Jun and now look, we already know who is a scammer, EL.
They can not tell me, I do not sell to anyone and when they do they can tell me.
I hope you can get your money back and next time trust someone who really is serious.
Greetings: thumbsup:

Sergio takes a lot of shit on the forum, some of it deserved as he likes to parade his "charts" around, but I've never heard of anyone having been taken advantage of by him, or money exchanging hands with him that went wrong.   

Sorry Kanam, no fun for sure, but don't worry, you're a student of the game and you'll find a way to make back the loss in the longrun. 

Also Caleb, come on, no need to pick on RG. 

Frankly some of the people who give RG grief (like Ken, Nathan, and most of that old crew) I doubt actually play systems that are dramatically superior to anything RG is doing...

If it's not AP/VB, it's fallacy, and if it's fallacy, then we're ALL in the same boat. 

Claiming you have a suite on the Titanic versus the people below in steerage isn't going to make a difference at the end...   (not you Caleb, talking about the aforementioned group).

[RouletteGhost]

Frankly some of the people who give RG grief (like Ken, Nathan, and most of that old crew) I doubt actually play systems that are dramatically superior to anything RG is doing...

Bingo

They play methods as well

Their chips are at the same house edge on the mat mine are

The old crew is the old crew cause their spent

[Steve]

RG, you criticize Caleb for being negative. Isn't saying "a winning method doesn't exist at all" even more negative?

Rather than say nothing works, is it more accurate to say some approaches do work in the right conditions? You keep changing your mind. You recently said this about a method that is guaranteed to lose, but you dont understand why:

This method works fine
Wins a lot more than it loses
With discipline it’s a sure shot.
It’s time consuming. So $1 units isn’t worth it

Then you also said:

Nothing matters and nothing can work even if results are positive.

You need to understand even random bets can win sometimes. And with progression, most systems will win for a short time. If lots of players do the same, the overall result is a loss. That's the same as the same player doing it repeatedly. Short term wins doesnt mean the system has a legitimate edge. How you cant understand this is beyond me.

Some methods work better than others

You are not understaning most "systems" are a collection of random bets - with random bet types and bet amounts. It doesnt matter what the player thinks the patterns are, or how elaborate their bet selection or progression is. What separates one system from another is the odds of winning (based on amount of numbers covered) and amount bet.

For example, consider a system that bets only 1% of bankroll. It will "survive" a long time, and an inexperienced player would say "it lasts a long time and is therefore better than the martingale", when actually it's the same shit. Maybe you understand such a simple example, but you don't understand more complicated systems are the same shit too. That's why you say "some systems are better than others".

Play for a statistically insignificant number of wins
Have fun and eat good food

What you described is gambling on a night out with friends. Very different from a serious approach to beat the casino.

Also Caleb, come on, no need to pick on RG. 

He isnt picking on him. RG attacks Caleb a lot more than the other way around.

Frankly some of the people who give RG grief (like Ken, Nathan, and most of that old crew) I doubt actually play systems that are dramatically superior to anything RG is doing...

I dont think anyone believes nathan or ken have anything better. Or maybe they do. After all some believe in flat earth.

If it's not AP/VB, it's fallacy, and if it's fallacy, then we're ALL in the same boat. 

This is often misunderstood. WHATEVER method you use, you MUST increase accuracy of predictions to overcome the unfair payout. There is no way around that. It is not specifically that anything other than VB etc is fallacy. It is the belief you can win with crap like repeaters that's fallacy. It's very easy to prove, but many people struggle with it.

[Steve]

Kanam are you still in contact with scissors? Has he flat out refused to return money yet, or not responding? I doubt he'll be around again - at least not under the same unsername.