Beware of junscissorhands.

[Kan@am@]

Hi never touched the subject of refund even when I asked for.You might be interested to see this:
Question:
"Jun,let get is strait.After receiving 5000$ for the system ,which was an original price agreed on,you over the sadden decided that it worth more for at least 2500$.And now you want me to pay you another 2500$ to get what I already payed for?Or I get it wrong?"
Answer:
"Exactly, the first part was a deposit."

[Steve]

Your only conversation from now on should be: Just send me back my money. You are trying to cheat me. I received nothing for my money.

Questions:
Did he send you ANYTHING for your money?
Do you have saved a full transcript of your conversations with him?

[Kan@am@]

At the beginning of our conversation he said that I will have full system which guarantee profit within 37 spins.But when he had to explain more than just law of the third( which Vaddi explained for free) he wrote that his system worth more than 5000$ and he would like to receive another 5000$.A bit later he dropped that 5000$ to 2500$.After he this that I asked him to fulfil his original obligations or make a refund.Otherwise he will be exposed on the forum .

[Steve]

* Check if there is a civil tribunal for dispute resolution in Holland. Initiate a dispute, and they'll send a summons to him. It will be an easy case to resolve.
* Report the matter to western union.
* Report to the police. And keep persisting with them because they are shit and lazy.

[Steve]

Exactly where did your conversation take place? And is there any record?

[Kan@am@]

Good idea.
I got all records of the conversation and it was done througt email from the very beginning to the end.

[Steve]

I've now added this text to the top of the personal messages area:



It may help some people, but there will be the occasional member who says i'm just tying to beat my "competition".

Kanam, honestly i'm not sure what's a bigger problem. You being scammed, or you still thinking the system you attempted to buy actually works.

Anyway let's hope the big red warning will help some people.

[Kan@am@]

Most likely this sign will make  members more cautious.
If I will ever be in possession of  the system that creates profit  in every 37 spincycle , than I will announce that its possible, but will never try to sell it.I believe that Vaddi created  HG because he never made an attempt to cash on it.He actually refused to sell it.

[luckyfella]

I believe that Vaddi created  HG because he never made an attempt to cash on it.He actually refused to sell it.

Common sense tells us whoever can win at roulette will NEVER sell it

Don't be the fool to believe the sellers shitty story

[Steve]

True they may never sell it... unless they have something even better. Then to maximize their revenue from their best method, they're best to both use it themselves and license it... just like I do 

Interested players can see all the proof they want including on any wheel. They can even test themselves free, so theres no need to rely on trust.

Keep trying luckyfella.

[luckyfella]

True they may never sell it... unless they have something even better. Then to maximize their revenue from their best method, they're best to both use it themselves and license it... just like I do 

Interested players can see all the proof they want including on any wheel. They can even test themselves free, so theres no need to rely on trust.

Keep trying luckyfella.

You are butthurt so it must be working

Oh yes, Steve is another seller

$80k for a money making roulette computer, your dream atm machine 

Hurry while stock last !

[Steve]

You're confusing my technology with blue angel's $2 or so amazon ebooks, which unfortunately arent worth the bandwidth cost to download.

You've got no idea about much and i dont have time to educate you.

[Kan@am@]

This topic was open to prevent potential money loses,not to insult each other.

[Steve]

I have been trying to help. Read back. Lukyfella just came to troll. He didnt like being igored so reposted. Blue angel acted like his fallacy ebooks for sale are better than my technology.

There's a difference between responding to attacks with explanations that some find inconvenient, and trolling.

Perhaps I should be more vigilant when people are obviously looking for trouble. Trolls make it a personal mission whether their arguments are screwy or not. Its different to unbiased discussion.

Anyway if scissors still refuses refund, best pursue options i listed.

[Turner]

This topic was open to prevent potential money loses,not to insult each other.

I know.
A big issue with this forum...and others is that every post starts as multi colored paints dripped into a white base.
By page 3 they are all the same dull grey.