FORUMS R.I.P.

[Blue_Angel]

I've some questions which, hopefully, you can help me understand.

1. How possible is an, approximately, 80% of all forums' members to have a long term winning strategy such as yours?

2.Would not that be highly unlikely?

Now this question is not entirely hypothetical but based on my personal observation over the course of years;

3. There are not as many members as they used to be.

4. From the fewer members there is significant less interest in participating on topics regarding strategies and in general about how to win on long term basis than what it used to be on the past.

5. People prefer to discuss more about unrelated subjects rather than contributing all as a team to a mutual and beneficial cause/goal.

6. More minds are able to achieve easier and better than a single alone.

7. Even if you would share a long term winning method, do you think that all gamblers worldwide would read your topic?

8. Do you think that from those who would read it all of them would use it, let alone to the letter??

9. Do you think that casinos would close, stop roulette game, or even change its rules, which have never changed since 1 and a half century ago???

10. What is the real reason behind this behavior?

11. Don't you think that forums are a great mean to connect people worldwide under a common cause/goal?

12. Why they are not focused groups of individuals, instead we see too much blah blah speaking about nothing practically, or about promoting products and services to potential customers?

13. Why when there were important efforts a few persons derailed those topics and from the practical considerations we ended up striving to prove a point, defending our positions from the intruding negativity?

14. If some have found something which works AND don't desire to share it then what on earth are they doing here?

15. If they want to have a conversation and/or pass time then why they don't do it outside forums, with any other persons and/or activities??

To my great disappointment I came to realize that I'm speaking alone and the forums are not being used the way it's meant to be used!

[Steve]

1. How possible is an, approximately, 80% of all forums' members to have a long term winning strategy such as yours?

Possible, but rather unlikely.

2.Would not that be highly unlikely?

Yes.

3. There are not as many members as they used to be.

There is significantly less activity on all the forums probably because more people better understand the games, and don't like what they've learned. So they move on.

4. From the fewer members there is significant less interest in participating on topics regarding strategies and in general about how to win on long term basis than what it used to be on the past.

Probably related to last point.

6. More minds are able to achieve easier and better than a single alone.

True but there is poor organization. And when there's an attempt at organization, most people would rather do their own thing. In my case, I even gave people simple tools and explanations to test theories, so they didnt waste time. But most weren't interested, and preferred to remain ignorant.

7. Even if you would share a long term winning method, do you think that all gamblers worldwide would read your topic?

Who would freely share the HG? I wouldn't. At least not until I'm finished with it. I don't have the HG. I have methods and technology that work, but I license it for a fee, which is similar to a profit-split arrangement. If I had the HG, I'd try to do that too so I could retain control. After all, it would be a product of my hard work, and most people wouldn't deserve it anyway.

If you freely gave the HG, the people who would most take notice are the casino consultants. Then they'd do what they must to minimize revenue loss. Same thing happens with roulette computers - they already know about them and take their countermeasures. But they are a double-edged sword... like closing bets earlier stops a computer, but then the casino also loses revenue from losing gamblers who like betting late.

8. Do you think that from those who would read it all of them would use it, let alone to the letter??

There are already numerous free methods that do work. But most people don't like the idea of them. It's more work than they like.

9. Do you think that casinos would close, stop roulette game, or even change its rules, which have never changed since 1 and a half century ago???

Actually a lot has changed since then. Roulette is getting harder to beat. Some states don't allow real roulette wheels, because they are no longer considered "random". California is one example. If the truth about wheel predictability was more widespread, more would change. I think it's only a matter of time.

RRS (randomizes rotor speed) is one of the newer technologies/changes. I'm sure more are coming, but the change is slow because professional players are so rare compared to typical losing players. So roulette is likely to still be profitable for casinos for some time yet.

10. What is the real reason behind this behavior?

What behavior? Not changing the rules? It's not so much the rules that have changed, but the technology to make spins less predictable.

11. Don't you think that forums are a great mean to connect people worldwide under a common cause/goal?

They are just a place for discussion of whatever kind. It's the members who decide what to do with it. It's the admin's job to set balanced rules to encourage productivity, and the moderator's job to enforce the rules. It starts with the admin/owner. If they're a moron, their forum will be useless, and it will attract a bunch of morons. The members reflect the admin and mods... which is why here we have so many outstanding gentlemen. But you can't 100% avoid the occasional bad egg. You can only deal with them once they're discovered.

12. Why they are not focused groups of individuals, instead we see too much blah blah speaking about nothing practically, or about promoting products and services to potential customers?

Again it's the members that create and control the discussions. A member complaining about discussions is like complaining about yourself. As admin, I give members whatever they want, but with a slice of what I think they need. What I think they need is mostly unpopular, but unfortunately truth isn't always convenient or popular. It turns many members off, but I'd rather a productive forum with truth, rather than a busy forum with harmful bullshit.

13. Why when there were important efforts a few persons derailed those topics and from the practical considerations we ended up striving to prove a point, defending our positions from the intruding negativity?

You'd have to consider on a case-by-case basis rather than generalize. In topics where I'm considered a "naysayer", I provided clear explanations of logic faults and what the truth is, with explanations of how members can verify what i'm saying for themselves. But some people choose to ignore that, and say dismissive crap like "oh you're just selling something" - instead of actually looking at what's being said.

14. If some have found something which works AND don't desire to share it then what on earth are they doing here?

Varied reasons. Perhaps because they enjoy random chit-chat with likeminded people (nothing wrong with that).

15. If they want to have a conversation and/or pass time then why they don't do it outside forums, with any other persons and/or activities??

That's like asking people why they use Facebook. People have varied reasons.

To my great disappointment I came to realize that I'm speaking alone and the forums are not being used the way it's meant to be used!

What do you suggest to improve productivity?

[Blue_Angel]

You'd have to consider on a case-by-case basis rather than generalize. In topics where I'm considered a "naysayer", I provided clear explanations of logic faults and what the truth is, with explanations of how members can verify what i'm saying for themselves. But some people choose to ignore that, and say dismissive crap like "oh you're just selling something" - instead of actually looking at what's being said.

Steve

Regarding this part, unless it is constructive criticism, it's very distractive to listen to the same old motive, 2 or 3 lines repeating on every single topic, no matter what's the method about!
We've heard, we already knew, so by repeating a mantra to any kind of system thread do you call this constructive criticism?
I don't think there is anyone so naive, or fully unaware regarding the HE and variance, despite these decided to take some risk, there are plenty of situations in life which involve more or less risk, directly or indirectly, some times we can avoid it and sometimes is not possible.
Would anyone, ever got married if he/she knew that he/she would divorce, would anyone make an investment if he/she knew that he/she would lose money...there are too many real life examples I could spoke about, the point is the risk management, a calculated risk is not like betting haphazardly, the reward must worth the risk, everything is more or less relevant and not like "whether it'll be black or white, nothing else!" If you get my drift. 

[Maui13]

I would not be able to answer your questions any better than Steve.

[Steve]

Regarding this part, unless it is constructive criticism, it's very distractive to listen to the same old motive, 2 or 3 lines repeating on every single topic, no matter what's the method about!

I can only speak for myself. Some lines are repeated constantly because they apply in EVERY case. For example:

* you must increase the accuracy of predictions
* progression only changes size of bets. It doesnt increase chances of winning any more than it increases chances of losing.

by repeating a mantra to any kind of system thread do you call this constructive criticism?

Yes it is constructive. How many other ways are there to say the same critical things?

But I still try to explain it other ways. It still doesn't sink in. So some people need to learn for themselves.

I don't think there is anyone so naive, or fully unaware regarding the HE and variance

But there are. They're everywhere. They can understand basic examples. But they dont understand the same principles apply to more elaborate systems.

All "professional play" and "investing" is "calculated risk". But the idea of a system player's calculated risk is nonsense like "reduce bet size". That reduces risk, but it is not the same as calculated risk because the payouts are still lower than the odds. So the expectation of loss is the same.

Proper "calculated risk" is something like measuring physical variables of the wheel to determine the most likely outcome, then betting on it.

[Blue_Angel]

Indeed, there are more than one ways to consider something.
Perhaps you missed my point, I'm not saying a repetitive mantra is necessarily wrong, but it is boring to listen/read something like a clisse, something which is no news, nothing to learn!
How would you like to repeat it every single time someones re-discovers the Martingale, wouldn't this be pointless after all?
This should go both ways, not only for the criticism, but also about those who digging out of the graves 100 years old methods!

We have to explore new "territories", if we don't mistake we are not learning, if we don't learn we are not making any progress.

[Blue_Angel]

1. How possible is an, approximately, 80% of all forums' members to have a long term winning strategy such as yours?

Highly unlikely.

2.Would not that be highly unlikely?

Of course.

Now this question is not entirely hypothetical but based on my personal observation over the course of years;

3. There are not as many members as they used to be.

Apparently.

4. From the fewer members there is significant less interest in participating on topics regarding strategies and in general about how to win on long term basis than what it used to be on the past.

This is my conclusion.

5. People prefer to discuss more about unrelated subjects rather than contributing all as a team to a mutual and beneficial cause/goal.

Unfortunately.

6. More minds are able to achieve easier and better than a single alone.

Not necessarily.

7. Even if you would share a long term winning method, do you think that all gamblers worldwide would read your topic?

No.

8. Do you think that from those who would read it all of them would use it, let alone to the letter??

No.

9. Do you think that casinos would close, stop roulette game, or even change its rules, which have never changed since 1 and a half century ago???

No.

10. What is the real reason behind this behavior?

I believe that it has to do with the ego like many other issues.

11. Don't you think that forums are a great mean to connect people worldwide under a common cause/goal?

That would have been the ideal, but people don't operate optimally in general.

12. Why they are not focused groups of individuals, instead we see too much blah blah speaking about nothing practically, or about promoting products and services to potential customers?

There are two main reasons, or the lack thereof, motivation and organization.

13. Why when there were important efforts a few persons derailed those topics and from the practical considerations we ended up striving to prove a point, defending our positions from the intruding negativity?

Human nature I guess, easily carried away of "path", covers too much on the "surface" but not in depth before he/she eventually realizes that life has passed.

14. If some have found something which works AND don't desire to share it then what on earth are they doing here?

Bragging and laughing with others for satisfying their ego.

15. If they want to have a conversation and/or pass time then why they don't do it outside forums, with any other persons and/or activities??

Who says they don't, someone who could gain money almost by demand most likely have plenty of time as well.


Thank all of you for your sincere replies!

[Sharpa]

I have started a thread last friday and its still not published.. waiting for approval... its tuesday how long will this take,ornis this forum really bleeding to death?