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Recovery, new high, using number density instead of progression

Started by Bigbroben, Nov 11, 09:54 PM 2018

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Bigbroben

Hi!

Here is a little continuation of a previous topic I had started a few months ago, the HABS (Horizontal Alembert Betting System)
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20310.msg199811#msg199811

Without going through the description again, it will be discussed here of recovery and reaching new high, using the ''horizontal Alembert'', which pretty much means having a varying amount of numbers on the table and using the number density to shed head winds and reach a new high, as opposed to using progression to cut back losses.

Indeed, the odds of winning a spin remain the same if the same amount of numbers is being played again.  What we want to achieve here, is to find ourselves in an ever-better position to reach a new high.

As with HABS, the idea is to have a smaller bet on the table after a win.  Contrary to traditional Alembert, where a smaller bet results in a smaller profit on a win, playing less numbers after a win let's you win even more on a next win, or lose less on the next loss.

Let's for an example, use the following chart to see how many nrs to play:

So, what I like to do is, at the beginning of a game, go +2/-2 ( as opposed to +1/-1 in a previous HABS version).
Of course, inspired by Vaddi's ideas, +2 means putting a unit on an unhit.  Choose whichever you like, I like adding the other number that makes a total of 37 (34/3, 16/21, 12/25).  Why?   Why not.
On a new high, choose to restart at 2 or put units on previous spins until encountering an already covered number. ( surprising sometimes though how a pair totaling 37 hits back-to-back).

Let's demonstrate now the grinding effect of the past-18nrs method.  So, according to the above chart, from 18 to 23, it's +2 on a loss, -1on a win (I remove normally the nr in the pair that did not hit, or the hit nr if the other one is gone already).

Below, a game started with 18 nrs for demonstration purpose.
1st new high:

Here, spin 1 is a loss with 18 nrs. -18
Spin 2: 20 nrs (18+2).  Loss: -38
Spin3: 22 nrs. Win : -24
Spin4: 21 nrs.  Win: -9
Spin5 is now started with 20 nrs at a score of -9, where the previous spin with 20 nrs was at -18.  A grind of 9 units  (this is all flat, by the way).
And it won with 20nrs, up to +6, a new high.
Let'S go on.


Spin6: 19nrs, L. -12
Spin7: 21nrs,L. -33
Spin8: 23 nrs.  W. -20
Spin9: 22nrs. W. -6
Spin10: 21nrs.  We are now back to playing 21 nrs, at a score of -6, 6u higher than the previous play with 21nrs.
Spin10: 21nrs. W. +9.
New high.

Next new high was a tough one, but a very telling one:

Observe how low and how ''thick'' or dense it went: from +9 with 20 nrs down to -63 with 30 nrs.
Observe the different check points, with score and nrs played.
Note the grinding at work.
Never was the potential loss higher than 30u per spin.  Never will it go higher than 35u.  This is flat playing.  It'S the number of numbers that changes, the density.

The whole idea is to be in a better situation to reach a new high thanks to the grind.
From a new high, with 12 nrs, ods are of 12/37 to win and to reach another new high.  In case of a loss, the new high is easily feasible with time and grind, if say, 24 spins later, only 6 units are required to reach nh and now playing with 21 nrs.

I strongly believe this is a very good alternative to a progression.  Fine tuning is of course always handy, still, there is very good potential.

And now, just to make sure I'm a good salesman, see the result of a game playing the 37pair, reset at new high, put units on previous nrs until encountering an already covered nr, use the HABS grind.

Crazy start.  First play past 18 nrs: recovery from spin 50 to 92.  Fail with a loss with 29 nrs or more at spin 110.
Recovery 142-170, 185-225.
Spin 261: fail with more >=29nrs.  Stop game.  Balance was 266, so about 1u per spin.
Good enough for me.
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

vladir

"In God we trust; all others must bring data", W. Edwards Deming

Bigbroben

Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

Bigbroben


Playing the hit nrs only, up to 8nrs, then the pair, doing HABS, reset at new high.


So far so good.
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

Bigbroben

200 spins played.  I have yet to encounter a deep recovery, let alone a failed recovery.

Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

RouletteGhost

Ok now I’m interested

What’s going on here.
the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

link:[url="s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o"]s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o[/url]

Bigbroben

What I did was:
play the number coming out until 8 nrs.  On a hit, it's a new high or break-even, restart with 1 number.

If failed with step1 (12345678), then add the pair.  So this would be maximum 18 nrs: the 9th nr and the 8 others.  By pair I mean what I do: the other number to make a total of 37.  So, if, say, 2, 6, 17, 19, 25, 26, 31, 32, 36, play: 2/35, 6/31, 17/20, 19/18, 25/12, 26/11, 32/5, 36/1  ( both 6 and 31 had appeared, so 16 nrs).
On a win, remove the unhit nr in the pair, or the hit nr if the other one is already discarded.  On a loss, add 2 nrs, so the pair.
From 0 to 23 nrs: +2
24, 25 nrs: +3
26: +4
27 and 28: up to 35 nrs.
A loss with more than 28 nrs is a reset.
Reset at new high or break-even.

Total bankroll required: 200u  (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+16+18+20+22+24+27+35=198).

I think I've been lucky on that one, though.  Haven't yet encountered a heavy loss or a deep recovery.

As opposed to what I described earlier, instead of going +2/-2 before 18 nrs, I'll just play the hit nr until 8, which offers a 55% chances of new high, or 65% chances of breakeven or better.
It also reduces the required br.

ItS' all flat, no prog whatsoever.  A progression could be handy but I wouldn't rely on it.  I prefer using the grinding.

I'll be transparent and will share wins and losses as they come.
I do not expect this good trend to continue forever.
Beginner's luck, I guess.

Please share observation, ideas, questions, especially with the pairing aspect.  I do the 37pair, others do another pair type, I think they all are equally good.
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

Mako

Wow Ben, great stuff, very unique.  Vaddi-esque, haha.  :thumbsup:

Have you done a magic Excel sheet for it yet so you can throw in live spins and see what it spits out?

Bigbroben

Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

Robbert


Mako

Quote from: Bigbroben on Nov 12, 04:20 PM 2018
No, not yet, but I will sell for 5000$.

SOLD

(Please send my bill to Caleb, he covers my system buys, thx)

Robbert

From 0 to 23 nrs: +2
24, 25 nrs: +3
26: +4
27 and 28: up to 35 nrs.
A loss with more than 28 nrs is a reset.
Reset at new high or break-even




What do u mean with that?


Robbert


Bigbroben

Unless zero appears in the first 8, I do not play zero.  Let the house take its occasional hedge.

The previous are the amount of nrs to add on a loss with x nrs.
If losing with more than 28 nrs, game over , restart.

When adding 3 or 4 nrs, add first the ones in the pair, then previous nrs that would have been removed.  Zero can be used then to patch up in case you're searching too far back, then deleted on the next win.
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

Bigbroben

Quote from: Mako on Nov 12, 04:29 PM 2018
SOLD

(Please send my bill to Caleb, he covers my system buys, thx)

FYI
The version without the bugs is twice the price.
He's endorsing you?!?
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

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