Simple System, Low bankroll, One bet selection.

[The General]

newbies?, you mean forumtards?

You are talking to Uncle Turner now lol....give me a break!

General, well why do not you start yourself to share a little of your knowledge?

Here's an example of a positive contribution.

"1. A 200 unit draw down is nothing.  It's insignificant. if a system truly has an edge, then you can expect much larger draw downs than just that.  And furthermore, you can't avoid them.
2. The system above is going to tank down far more than just 200 units.  It will eventually wipe out your entire bankroll."

[RouletteGhost]

People understand that roulette has a house edge

People understand there is a risk to playing roulette

They play and create systems because they want to

We can stand to not hear Caleb repeat himself for decades on end.

Fun fact: when Caleb plays he will likely lose $2.70 per $100 on the single zero wheel

As he’s said before his drawdowns are more severe then system graphs here

So I ask, if people like playing strategies, and it’s working for them, and they constantly have positive graphs, then why bother them?

So if he has draw downs but ends positive then to me it’s the same as any old system.

[Turner]

Here's an example of a positive contribution.

"1. A 200 unit draw down is nothing.  It's insignificant. if a system truly has an edge, then you can expect much larger draw downs than just that.  And furthermore, you can't avoid them.
2. The system above is going to tank down far more than just 200 units.  It will eventually wipe out your entire bankroll."

did I comment on that? No

I mentioned you pressing for an answer. People dont have to answer. It was a simple point, now blown out of all proportion

I dont need the violins on how you are a great contributor, or the tardy comments because I asked you to stop pressing for answers

It was simple guidance on how to continue harmoniously

[luckyfella]

Its just not having any effect so I really dont see the point of keep ramming it down peoples throats who clearly dont want to listen, like some roulette version of a door knocking Jehovahs witness

More often than not, they correct butI just think they are wasting their time and just winding people up

My 2 peneth

Is there something you can do to put an end to this repetition, pls ?

[The General]

Passion and Lucky,

I have a suggestion for you both.  Raise your bets!

By the way,  link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=21087.msg213159;topicseen#msg213159

Good luck.

[Shogun]

I agree to the point that it clearly isnt working. The "forumtard" and "gamblers fallacy" posts roll on, with no one taking on the "advice given"

Listen.....I also tend to agree with most of what Steve and Caleb say and in many ways it isnt negativity. Its just not having any effect so I really dont see the point of keep ramming it down peoples throats who clearly dont want to listen, like some roulette version of a door knocking Jehovahs witness

More often than not, they correct butI just think they are wasting their time and just winding people up

My 2 peneth

Spot on. Totally agree.
I hope I did not step on any toes. I consider them very knowledgeable and respect there opinions.

[luckyfella]

Listen.....I also tend to agree with most of what Steve and Caleb say.....

More often than not, they correct.....

My 2 peneth

I have to make this post to clarify any ambiguity.

Steve and Caleb repeatedly quote the same math of 37 pockets with unfair payout of 35 for European wheels.

That is the math of the roulette game offered by casinos.

This repeated exercise to quote this math do not in any way make them experts in math.

Nor their repetition exercise make them experts in winning at this game of roulette.

[The General]

I have to make this post to clarify any ambiguity.

Steve and Caleb repeatedly quote the same math of 37 pockets with unfair payout of 35 for European wheels.

That is the math of the roulette game offered by casinos.

This repeated exercise to quote this math do not in any way make them experts in math.

Nor their repetition exercise make them experts in winning at this game of roulette.

Ok, pretend that neither Steve or myself have said anything to you.  Why do you believe that all of the other experts are wrong?

[Steve]

This repeated exercise to quote this math do not in any way make them experts in math.

I'm not an expert in math. My math skills are basically first year college for applied physics, which is nothing special. The math for roulette is just really simple.

Nor their repetition exercise make them experts in winning at this game of roulette.

Repeating anything makes no difference to someone's experience. We all know this. It was a stupid comment. But as it so happens, we both are experts.

Make it simple....

The math and logic we explain is really simple. It is not being understood. If you don't want to listen, I do not care. It's your money. But I do care when you MISLEAD others, which can harm them through financial loss.

Get used to it. When you speak bullshit, someone will eventually be there to call you out on it. It will happen on any well-run forum, or anywhere in life.

But if you want to discuss systems without anyone on your thread quoting math and logic, which contradicts what you say, then do it in the system player board. Outside that area, we have free speech to call bullshit when we see it. Calling bullshit is not trolling. Trolling is something different.

Just imagine what would happen if truth was too offensive to be allowed.

[The General]

Get used to it. When you speak bullshit, someone will eventually be there to call you out on it. It will happen on any well-run forum, or anywhere in life.

But if you want to discuss systems without anyone on your thread quoting math and logic, which contradicts what you say, then do it in the system player board. Outside that area, we have free speech to call bullshit when we see it. Calling bullshit is not trolling. Trolling is something different.

Amen!   

[Steve]

Lucykfella, you often denounce "math" we quote, as if it were inaccurate. But you have not showed anything to prove it is inaccurate.

Discussions with you end with nonsense like "you guys just don't know better". So the discussions end in a stalemate.

I dont believe you are an expert in roulette on any level. Firstly because there's nothing to indicate you are. And secondly, things you say are often either incorrect or contradictory. But I've been here before, with you and others. Just do what you are going to do. But don't complain when people explain your mistakes. It isnt trolling. General is asking simple questions you avoid. And I have little doubt if you do answer them, they'll be dismissive and evasive... and ultimately end in a stalemate as I've explained. But as long as people speak nonsense, and others who see through it are willing to call you out on it, expect the discussions to continue.

[luckyfella]

did I comment on that? No

I mentioned you pressing for an answer. People dont have to answer. It was a simple point, now blown out of all proportion

I dont need the violins on how you are a great contributor, or the tardy comments because I asked you to stop pressing for answers

It was simple guidance on how to continue harmoniously

Is there something you can do something to put an end to this, pls ?

[luckyfella]

Give it a rest eh?
It may come as a great shock that he doesnt have to reply. You sound like a defense lawyer.
He has said in so many words that he isnt going to answer.

There is no one worse than you for ignoring questions you find uncomfortable.

[Steve]

Lucky, you don't need to answer any questions. But people are allowed to ask questions. And when you avoid the questions, people are allowed to point that out. The same would happen in any logical discussion.

I dont think Caleb is trolling in this instance. If anything he is being persistent in the discussion, as he is allowed to be. That's not to say he hasn't behaved in ways consistent with the definition of trolling, on previous occasions.

If you don't want to answer his or anyone's questions, just say that. Then if they keep asking the question repeatedly, it may be what I'd consider trolling.

It is important to be careful with the trolling rules. It is not wise to be too precious or sensitive about it. Otherwise we lose the balance that ensures productivity. In the system player's board, it's a different matter.

[-Katalyst-]

-Forum Runners-
** 'knowing about math' is not the same as "knowing math"
- this is where and why the debate goes in circles
- majority on here will cling on to and follow the 'knowing about math' position and hence will have similar longterm results as what the so called professors and gurus are rightfully claiming

**nothing is random
- I get it, gambling is not for everyone, it takes more than just Systems/BR/MM ....the psychology of the player is where it’s won or lost
....and am not really interested in the cyclic debates with Caleb and comp either 

-Best Wishes-