$100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge

[Steve]

what consisnte means to you, perhaps it doesnt mean the same thing to me. tks

Why not just go win in real casinos, and live from winnings? You can do that with a genuinely effective system.

Or try living from winnings from luck.

Is the difference opinion?

[Ares289]

Why not just go win in real casinos, and live from winnings? You can do that with a genuinely effective system.

Here is just one of the reasons:

askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/betsafe-refuses-to-pay-20-000eur

This is not an isolated case, there are thousands of such cases, unfortunately the people who report it are the exceptions, because the vast majority just don't want to waste time to fight against the casinos.

Casinos use every possible pretexts and excuses not to have to pay out large winnings when they are the result of playing with a small initial bankroll:

Betsafe approved the documents. My withdrawal got back to my players account, i won around 5000â,¬ more out of 50â,¬ and after that my account got locked.

And remember, that's not the only reason.

[Steve]

Few serious players play online, for this reason. I've personally been refused payouts a few times.

Real casinos will not normally refuse payout. But they will sometimes delay it while they check security videos.

Forget online casinos. And you can only win reasonable amounts in real casinos if you avoid detection. What amount is reasonable varies between players and teams. If you mean a few thousand here and here, that's easily done.

[Ares289]

In my case, even more so, I can't play in a real (non-Internet) casino, because then they would immediately discover and understand WHY I win in the long-term game.

[Steve]

If you have the HG, you dont need a real wheel. Any RNG would do. In that case you could easily win millions without being detected, because you have so many casinos to choose from.

Also you could apply the principle to other RNG games, and potentially make billions. You could disrupt the entire gaming industry.

Is that the system you have?

[Ares289]

If you have the HG, you dont need a real wheel. Any RNG would do. In that case you could easily win millions without being detected, because you have so many casinos to choose from.

Also you could apply the principle to other RNG games, and potentially make billions. You could disrupt the entire gaming industry.

I used to think in a similar way in the past, unfortunately it turned out to be a very naive way of thinking...

I sent a questions to a online casino:

Here's one of them:

My last question is whether you're collecting ANY data about playing by the user?

For example, in how way someone is playing - how much money is wagered at a given moment and on what result, etc...

and I got an answer:

We reserve the right to have insight into every bet that you make on our site in case you experience some issues, also we have our bet archive where you can find your oldest bets. But no, we won't provide to any user or to anyone else any information, that is our policy, we won't share any personal information about anyone on our site. You can rest assured.

[Steve]

Of course they monitor bets. It shouldn't be news.

If you had the hg, it wouldn't matter because casinos wouldn't recognise the patterns. They'd assume your wins were luck.

Besides the casino doesn't need to know how you win to ban you. They might ban you, just in case.

None of that changes much. You can still win more than enough to be comfortable, especially when you play in multiple casinos.

[Ares289]

Of course they monitor bets. It shouldn't be news.

I fully understood this fact relatively recently, because before that I wasn't interested in technical issues related to the way casinos work, because all my attention had to be focused on learning HOW TO REALLY WIN IN THE LONG-TERM AT ROULETTE, so then I just couldn't think about other issues if I wanted to achieve that goal.

If you had the hg, it wouldn't matter because casinos wouldn't recognise the patterns. They'd assume your wins were luck.

Not in my case because of the way I play.

Besides the casino doesn't need to know how you win to ban you. They might ban you, just in case.

The issue of a possible banning has never been the main concern for me.

None of that changes much. You can still win more than enough to be comfortable, especially when you play in multiple casinos.

In order to do that, I would first have to be absolutely sure that no one will find out (by analyzing the way I play) why I win, because it's just too risky and I have to be very careful.

[Steve]

Sounds like you're saying your system is so awesome you don't want to use it in case casinos steal it.

That's like leaving a sofa in its wrapping.

And no matter how obvious a system is, you can conceal its use. computer players easily camouflage late bets, and maintain an edge.

[Ares289]

Sounds like you're saying your system is so awesome you don't want to use it in case casinos steal it.

I'm only afraid of what I don't know, so if I have no idea what the real consequences could be, then I just don't want to risk it that way.

That's like leaving a sofa in its wrapping.

I don't want it to be like that, so I'm trying to remedy it and I'm still looking for possible solutions.

And no matter how obvious a system is, you can conceal its use. computer players easily camouflage late bets, and maintain an edge.

Does that mean that in your opinion there can be a system or a method of playing that effectively camouflages/conceals the operation of the REAL (other) system/method of playing roulette?

[stranger90]

Does that mean that in your opinion there can be a system or a method of playing that effectively camouflages/conceals the operation of the REAL (other) system/method of playing roulette?

If you didn't figure that out by now then most probably you didn't figure out sheet ever.

[Ares289]

If you didn't figure that out by now then most probably you didn't figure out sheet ever.

It's just your subjective opinion.

From my perspective, what you wrote only proves that you're wrong, because before I asked this question, I thought about this issue and never ruled out this type of possibility, unfortunately in my case, It's not that simple, because I don't place inside bets at all, so I have much less room for maneuver.

[Steve]

Does that mean that in your opinion there can be a system or a method of playing that effectively camouflages/conceals the operation of the REAL (other) system/method of playing roulette?

Yes. It's not rocket science.

It's not mere opinion. Its a core part of AP.

[Ares289]

Yes. It's not rocket science.

It's not mere opinion. Its a core part of AP.

I understand, but I'm not interested in any such devices and my question wasn't related to this area.

I used to be a bit interested in the topic of devices, but it was about ten years ago and then I had no idea that winning roulette without using any devices can be so easy.

[Steve]

The methods to avoid detection aren't exclusively for AP.

Again it's not rocket science.

If you have the intelligence to find the hg, you can figure out really basic techniques to avoid detection.