$100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge

[Moxy]

Actually, Im interested in using it myself. More specifically, coding it into software, putting it on a remote server so secrets are protected, then profit splitting with players - just like i already with my best technology.

You really think lowly of the people on here do you? 

Imagine coming up with an hg and then having a suggested offer of grueling testing ×2 of millions of hands for a pedestrian 100k.

If you are curious what Micheal Shackleford, an esteemed mathematician who sold his site wizardofodds.com for 3.14 million dollars, thinks an hg is worth just ask me.

[ati]

If you are curious what Micheal Shackleford, an esteemed mathematician who sold his site wizardofodds.com for 3.14 million dollars, thinks an hg is worth just ask me.

I'm curious.

I think it's impossible to put a price on a HG. It depends on many things, like whom you sell it to, how easy it is to make money with it, etc.
I'd probably say it worth millions, but a person who can afford to spend millions to buy a roulette system..........has probably much better things to do than spending long hours at the tables to win small amounts, and obviously has a very high income already.

[Moxy]

I'm curious.

I think it's impossible to put a price on a HG. It depends on many things, like whom you sell it to, how easy it is to make money with it, etc.
I'd probably say it worth millions, but a person who can afford to spend millions to buy a roulette system..........has probably much better things to do than spending long hours at the tables to win small amounts, and obviously has a very high income already.

An hg should be applicable in any speculative market with zero to limited restrictions.  The name lends itself to that high of aspiration.  If there is a hypothetical market value for it, it's definitely not 100k.

Steve takes these people for desperate or idiots or both.

[Steve]

Imagine coming up with an hg and then having a suggested offer of grueling testing ×2 of millions of hands for a pedestrian 100k.

Anyone who had the hg would already have automated testing software, so testing would be simple.

If you are curious what Micheal Shackleford, an esteemed mathematician who sold his site wizardofodds.com for 3.14 million dollars, thinks an hg is worth just ask me.

I don't particularly care what he thinks. Why would i? I know its worth billions. I've said it before many times. I dont expect everyone to read everything I've said, but i repeat myself often for new people.

Steve takes these people for desperate or idiots or both.

Moxy, usually every week at least one person swears to me they have the hg, and they are different. They approach me. Does that mean they're desperate or idiots?

And not one of them pass the initial stages because they find they were deluded and inexperienced.

Your logic is backwards and shortsighted.

The reason i set a $100k price is because any contract with funds in escrow is legally binding, and theres always the chance random bets beat 2m spins. Very slim chance, but i wouldn't bet millions against it.

And besides, its less about money, and more about a challenge because i already live comfortably.

[Steve]

And why do you get so upset about the amount im willing to pay? Am i forcing these people to approach me making claims they have the hg and want to claim the $100k?

[Moxy]

Anyone who had the hg would already have automated testing software, so testing would be simple.

I don't particularly care what he thinks. Why would i? I know its worth billions. I've said it before many times. I dont expect everyone to read everything I've said, but i repeat myself often for new people.

Moxy, usually every week at least one person swears to me they have the hg, and they are different. They approach me. Does that mean they're desperate or idiots?

And not one of them pass the initial stages because they find they were deluded and inexperienced.

Your logic is backwards and shortsighted.

The reason i set a $100k price is because any contract with funds in escrow is legally binding, and theres always the chance random bets beat 2m spins. Very slim chance, but i wouldn't bet millions against it.

And besides, its less about money, and more about a challenge because i already live comfortably.

A substantial hg is not conventionally mechanical and if there were testing software then the whole exercise would be moot since you've already would have it via reverse engineering. Are we dopes or what? 

Would some one of substance relinquish the formula before your testing quota?

The ones who keep coming to you are not carriers of the hg.  You, of all people, should know that.  They are just desperate which in turn makes you desperate as well for throwing that offer around.

[Moxy]

And why do you get so upset about the amount im willing to pay? Am i forcing these people to approach me making claims they have the hg and want to claim the $100k?

You were always afraid to engage with me as if I've "gotten" to you somehow as oppose to all the other posters on here that you engage with relative confidence.

Again, you are a smart guy.  100k is and will always be an indictment to the people on here and to the hg namesake.

[Steve]

A substantial hg is not conventionally mechanical and if there were testing software then the whole exercise would be moot since you've already would have it via reverse engineering. Are we dopes or what?

Nonsense.  A "substantial hg"? And if there were not already automated testing software, how would the person test enough spins to be statistically relevant and know they had the HG? Your arguments are junk.

Would some one of substance relinquish the formula before your testing quota?

This comment doesnt even make sense. No, they wouldn't release their HG beforehand. The whole point is releasing it after testing. You havent even read the challenge terms, right?

The ones who keep coming to you are not carriers of the hg.  You, of all people, should know that.

Another dumb comment because you just repeated what I said.

They are just desperate which in turn makes you desperate as well for throwing that offer around.

They're desperate, and it makes me desperate? Right. You're on a roll today Moxy.

You were always afraid to engage with me as if I've "gotten" to you somehow

Delusion at its finest.

as oppose to all the other posters on here that you engage with relative confidence.

My confidence is with understanding reality. And where I don't know enough, I'll say that. The majority of discussions here are about basic principles and basic logic, that people like you don't understand. It is not an accomplishment to understand basics. Go to a math or physics forum, and you'll find a whole bunch of people just like me who will gladly explain Earth isn't flat.

Any other bright comments?

[Moxy]

Any other bright comments?

Put up 10 million in escrow and the real mccoy's will step forward and you'll also start to see a drought in purported hg IP holders because then everyone will know it's no joke. 

Or no one comes forward at all because it's not there.

100k will always invite every person outta the woodwork with a different motive to get your money.   Yet you are still waiting for that "special" someone willing to take that up.

You know I'm right.

[Moxy]

The reason i set a $100k price is because any contract with funds in escrow is legally binding, and theres always the chance random bets beat 2m spins. Very slim chance, but i wouldn't bet millions against it.

That's an excuse.  Offer 10 mil and a legit hg holder would jump hoops for you to prove its efficacy with whatever conditional testing for however long it takes. 

Besides why not 100 million spins instead since you said software testing would expedite the process?  Hmm..

[Steve]

Moxy, you're missing the point.

I'm not forcing anyone. I can offer $1 if I want. But at $100k, people contact me every week claiming to have the HG. Where are all the scammers like Sergio who sell their HG for comparatively pennies, but wont take a simple test to get $100k?

100k will always invite every person outta the woodwork with a different motive to get your money.

Yeah, and that's one of the points. But fortunately I wasnt born yesterday.

Offer 10 mil and a legit hg holder would jump hoops for you to prove its efficacy with whatever conditional testing for however long it takes

No they wouldn't, because nobody with the HG would sell it for less than perhaps $10M, and even then they'd need a legit reason to sell. But before that, the smartest thing for them to do is license it for others to sell, with remotely used and carefully controlled software - like I do with my own software.

Besides why not 100 million spins instead since you said software testing would expedite the process?  Hmm..

Sure, we can do 100m spins.

Moxy you appear to be forgetting these major points:

1. The offer is partially intended to expose frauds and scamming system sellers.

2. It is also a legitimate offer to buy the HG, which doesn't mean exclusive rights. Exclusive rights would be worth far more. But that wouldnt be realistically enforceable anyway.

3. I don't even need the HG. I do just fine with what I've got. I don't need any extra income either. But if it's there, without much extra time required, I'll take it. Time is much more important than money.

I'm baffled as to why you give a shit about all this. It seems more like you just want to create shit from nothing.

[Moxy]

No they wouldn't, because nobody with the HG would sell it for less than perhaps $10M, and even then they'd need a legit reason to sell. But before that, the smartest thing for them to do is license it for others to sell, with remotely used and carefully controlled software - like I do with my own software.


2. It is also a legitimate offer to buy the HG, which doesn't mean exclusive rights. Exclusive rights would be worth far more. But that wouldnt be realistically enforceable anyway.

I'm baffled as to why you give a shit about all this. It seems more like you just want to create shit from nothing.

Are you kidding me?   Money talks.  10 million (starting point) reasons to sell.   Who tf wouldn't.

Smart people don't try to score with multiple buyers for considerably cheaper and also dilute the IP in the process.  That's detrimental to all parties involved. It's common sense.  I also wasn't born yesterday. It's either one sole party (yourself) preferably or *2 parties max if you can retire from it multiple times over from the 2nd party benefactor*  It's a one time deal into the sunset.  You know that.

You question ones motive to sell for 10's of millions but not one objection if one were to sell for 100k?...

Also... Why would any legit person sell for pennies and then refuse to take your challenge?  You are inviting indignitaries/scammers almost on purpose wishfully waiting for the real mccoy.

You want the best angle possible for yourself and not have yourself exposed to potential millions of dollars in negotiating.

Michael Shackleford, a millionaire himself, gave his hypothetical pricing offer of 50 million US if he ever had an hg.  I'll give you the link later.

He's got 50 million reasons right there.

[Steve]

Moxy, youre still not understanding. I dont care. You're complaining about my offer to pay someone for something. You shouldnt care either.

[Moxy]

Moxy, youre still not understanding. I dont care. You're complaining about my offer to pay someone for something. You shouldnt care either.

You honestly do NOT care about the possibility?  And the whole point of this site was...


Wow....  Just wow.  You don' think Im a crazy person yet you don't care either.

It was always about the money.  Huh.

[Steve]

Like i said, youre not understanding.

Now please stop wasting my time.