Conclusion

[Roulettebeater]

Looks like basic dealer signature and sector bets to me. Its legitimate AP but theres so much more to just considering pockets between spins.

Some AP is even simpler than the usual system nonsense.

whattttt?
are you serious? he was playing automated wheel, there is no dealer!

i guess he was able to decode the RNG.

[Sharpa]

This forum is death..

[Steve]

whattttt?
are you serious? he was playing automated wheel, there is no dealer!

The dealer is a bot. A computer algorithm. The physics are the same.

i guess he was able to decode the RNG.

There is no RNG in it. It's a real physical wheel, and his bets are sectors. Typical sign of AP.

The RRS on the slingshots are not what they are advertised to be. It basically halves edge but its still an edge usually, albeit comparatively small. Other wheels are better.

[Roulettebeater]

The dealer is a bot. A computer algorithm. The physics are the same.

There is no RNG in it. It's a real physical wheel, and his bets are sectors. Typical sign of AP.

The RRS on the slingshots are not what they are advertised to be. It basically halves edge but its still an edge usually, albeit comparatively small. Other wheels are better.

what do you think about these wheels? arent they easier to beat than real ones?
these wheels are supposed to follow a pattern because they are automated, while the real ones are harder maybe because its hard to catch a pattern that has been created by a human? in other words, machine create patterns while humans tend to be more random..

[Steve]

Slingshot spins are very long so there's a lot of room for error. Generally I wouldnt bother with normal AP on them. With computers, depending on the wheel setting, the edge can be 0 - 10%, which is a long way from the 30%+ with other wheels. So generally we avoid them. Why bother with more difficult wheels? Only if we can be very covert about it, then even 5% edge is good.

[Roulettebeater]

Slingshot spins are very long so there's a lot of room for error. Generally I wouldnt bother with normal AP on them. With computers, depending on the wheel setting, the edge can be 0 - 10%, which is a long way from the 30%+ with other wheels. So generally we avoid them. Why bother with more difficult wheels? Only if we can be very covert about it, then even 5% edge is good.

so you say that automated wheels are harder than real wheels with dealer?

[Steve]

Not always. Sometimes they're even easier. But generally they're more difficult. It depends on the design and settings.

Once the alfastreets were really easy to beat, but that eventually changed now they're one of the most difficult. mostly because rotor speed is often crazy fast.

There are various additional testing procedures for auto wheels to see what countermeasures they're applying etc to see whats possible or not.

[Roulettebeater]

Well, Lets see an example how the casino has an advantage against the average player, imagine if I offer you to  to bet over coin flip, but the coin is slightly heavier in the side I play with. So I will win more often than you. Will you agree to play this game with me?  If not then you should not agree to play roulette in the casino without protection

[The General]

Nobody is beating the sling shot wheel unless they're exploiting one that has one or more clogged air jets at the pockets.  The random firing air jets at the pocket end divert the ball at the pocket to randomize the scatter.  The air jet has to be blocked or misfiring in order to beat it.

[Steve]

I'll have to disagree with you on that one. Maybe there are variations but at least the online ones have quite a consistent ball deceleration rate, provided the wheel is in good condition which they usually are.

[Steve]

Just looking at raw timings, without even precise timings, here's deviation for 5 spins:



The timings start about 23 seconds before the ball falls (far left of chart). It's about 600ms deviation which is small especially for timings starting with 23 seconds left in the spin. Of course this is when the compressors are off, but there is still lots of time to bet.

The RRS isn't what it's supposed to be either, but let's not discuss that here. I think it's more a matter of the wheel settings.

[The General]

Just looking at raw timings, without even precise timings, here's deviation for 5 spins:



The timings start about 23 seconds before the ball falls (far left of chart). It's about 600ms deviation which is small especially for timings starting with 23 seconds left in the spin. Of course this is when the compressors are off, but there is still lots of time to bet.

The RRS isn't what it's supposed to be either, but let's not discuss that here. I think it's more a matter of the wheel settings.

Steve,

It's not the ball lap times that's the problem.  That part is quite simple.  It's not even the RRS.  It's the final scatter caused by the air blasts coming from the pockets at the end of the spin on the models that I've looked at.  Those air blasts are the reason that so few people trust that game.

Perhaps we're looking at two different versions/generations of the same wheel.

[Steve]

I measure scatter from the number under a reference diamond, when the ball is at it for the last time in the spin....  TO the winning number.

I haven't noticed any anomalies. I'll have another look later. Generally we avoid slingshots and any auto wheels.

[Wheelz]

Steve,

It's not the ball lap times that's the problem.  That part is quite simple.  It's not even the RRS.  It's the final scatter caused by the air blasts coming from the pockets at the end of the spin on the models that I've looked at.  Those air blasts are the reason that so few people trust that game.

Perhaps we're looking at two different versions/generations of the same wheel.

General,

In your experience, have the air blasts significantly decreased scatter predictability? Out of all the slingshots I've looked at, scatter seems to be quite good even without considering other variables. Here are some pocket distance charts on various wheels 

[RouletteGhost]

Is airball real roulette?