Conclusion

[The General]

My concern about Turner being gone is more about things like fallacy-busters going into Ignatus' threads and having a go at him on a personal level.

Ignatus is a nice guy.  He never tries to scam or sell to anyone.  His systems are fun and harmless.  Turner did not protect fallacy busting, his goal was to troll me. 

[Mako]

Ignatus is a nice guy.  He never tries to scam or sell to anyone.  His systems are fun and harmless.  Turner did not protect fallacy busting, his goal was to troll me.

I hear you, but if I put your particular grudge match as a twosome aside, he did good work multiple times in the past year when dickheads would go into an Ignatus thread and personally attack his intelligence level, etc.

It happens more than you think, because these clowns privately try one of Iggy's routines out, lose money because they're not smart enough to test properly first, then get bitter...and want to shit on him past that point. 

I can't judge the war between you and Turner, at times I've felt you both went too far...though not often.  I'm sure you each would say the other went too far more than yourselves...

[Bigbroben]

„Never waste your time with progressions or layout  based systems, the only way to win is to use physics“

Yes, this I understood a few months ago.

Still, I will never have time to develop some AP capacities, and will never have time to go regularly to casinos.  Maybe in a few years.

So in the meantime, it's ok to get to know some systems, some methods.  Some systems/games are better/easier/fun to play than others.  Why not enjoy the learning?  This is a forum.  The main subject is roulette.
You can't be serious about this.  It's a game, an entertainment, for most  people.

Better play roulette once in a while for fun than to buy a brand new car and lose 30% value per year...

[Bigbroben]

... because these clowns privately try one of Iggy's routines out, lose money because they're not smart enough to test properly first, then get bitter...and want to shit on him past that point. 

Ha!  I'm sure it happened many times!

[Mako]

„Never waste your time with progressions or layout  based systems, the only way to win is to use physics“

Yes, this I understood a few months ago.

Still, I will never have time to develop some AP capacities, and will never have time to go regularly to casinos.  Maybe in a few years.

So in the meantime, it's ok to get to know some systems, some methods.  Some systems/games are better/easier/fun to play than others.  Why not enjoy the learning?  This is a forum.  The main subject is roulette.
You can't be serious about this.  It's a game, an entertainment, for most  people.

Better play roulette once in a while for fun than to buy a brand new car and lose 30% value per year...

This is where I'm at also.  You do enough testing, you understand that artificial stop losses, virtual bets, etc, all don't help.  They really don't affect the outcome despite how attractive they may appear.

I do like the thought that in 37-spin cycles you get 24 uniques more often than not...and nearly equal unhits and repeats by the end.  That outcome is where I like to focus now in terms of method testing, repeaters, etc.

But I don't discriminate against anything, if someone posts some outside bet, or fallacy red/black play, or what have you, I will test the F out of it...why not. 

[Roulettebeater]

Bigroben,

Why you want to fall in the trap? Don’t you want to learn from others experience ?

The problem is that when you start playing with crap systems you will start  losing massive amount of money. You won’t surrender, you gonna keep playing and lose more !

[Mako]

Bigroben,

Why you want to fall in the trap? Don’t you want to learn from others experience ?

The problem is that when you start playing with crap systems you will start to lose massive amount of money. You won’t surrender, you gonna keep playing and lose more !

Ben is sharp RB, he doesn't bet anything without testing the basis of the method for thousands of spins in real-world conditions.

There are two players on the forum who I won't name, who have shown me their actual returns from playing their systems at B&M casinos for over a year.  They have done extremely well, if you reverse their numbers they're sitting at a player edge of approximately 5%.

I tested them, they failed nearly instantly when confronted with say 2+ years of play at their pace. Came in exactly at an HE of 2.7%.

Meaning, unless someone tests in a realistic way BEFORE they attempt to play with actual money, they're doomed to fall into the trap you mentioned.  If they DO test, well then it's just a fun hobby, learning about the game, etc, just something to pursue. 

[Bigbroben]

Bigroben,

Why you want to fall in the trap? Don’t you want to learn from others experience ?

The problem is that when you start playing with crap systems you will start  losing massive amount of money. You won’t surrender, you gonna keep playing and lose more !

Dude, I never went to real casino in my whole life yet.  I'm not falling in any trap.  I'm not putting any money online either.  I take it as a game, and when I'll go for real, it is going to remain a game, a trip.
A few spins at roulette, play a system that breaks even or better 90-95% of times flat for a few spins.
Walk away, some blackjack, then walk around and look at people losing, people winning, look at the other games and scenery.  Eat, drink, chat.
This will be my first visit.

I'm a smart guy, I know how to make money other than gambling  (buy land).
P.S.: I'd be richer if I stopped smoking and played roulette instead.  Tobacco has a stunning 0% rate of return...!!!!

[Mako]

I'd be richer if I stopped smoking and played roulette instead.  Tobacco has a stunning 0% rate of return...!!!!

It also has a horrendous "stop loss" the player may ultimately hit... 

Knock that stuff off BBB, you're too smart to keep doing it!

[Bigbroben]

Knock that stuff off BBB, you're too smart to keep doing it!

[Mako]

Why don't you take up vapeing like all the hipster douchebags have done near me...that way you can walk into your local Starbucks on a summer day and there's more fog than London in the winter...

[Madi]

  Turner did not protect fallacy busting, his goal was to troll me.

🦟 is a bird cause it can fly. General is the victim. U still here bcz u r a good proxy. Ur aim is not roulette discussion rather hiring worker by manipulating member using repeated trolling.

[Mako]

🦟 is a bird cause it can fly. General is the victim. U still here bcz u r a good proxy. Ur aim is not roulette discussion rather hiring worker by manipulating member using repeated trolling.

Maybe, but look at it this way Madi:  If people here DO use fallacy systems and DO go broke in doing so, they can turn to The General and become a minion to work to dig themselves out of a hole.

Not being sarcastic, it's at least something.

Ask yourself: Why are forum posts down by -60% in the past couple years?

One answer: Because people went B-R-O-K-E while attempting to "beat" the game.

It not just death, or anger at AP player posts, or whatever...but I would wager that the #1 reason we don't see people "from the old days" on anymore is because they gave up.  They couldn't find anything that worked, and either busted out or simply walked away.

At least what Caleb is doing offer a reset for those who are truly addicted and want to continue the quest.

[Bigbroben]

Why don't you take up vapeing like all the hipster douchebags have done near me...

Look at my profile picture!!! Do I look like a hipster douchebag?  These people can't screw a bolt or plant a fence post!!!

Here's a question about real wheel:  how to tell if a repeater is caused by physical defects in a wheel or by random itself?
A repeater-system could work better on a biased wheel, no?

[Mako]

Look at my profile picture!!! Do I look like a hipster douchebag?  These people can't screw a bolt or plant a fence post!!!

Here's a question about real wheel:  how to tell if a repeater is caused by physical defects in a wheel or by random itself?
A repeater-system could work better on a biased wheel, no?

Caleb has said previously words to that effect, that when they detect an advantage they can play a basic hot number system that's similar to what we're always building systems off of without VB. 

He's shared it before, I'm sure he'll mention it.