Maybe there is still HOPE!

[Jordan]

  As many of you know I have been in Roulette for about 3.5 years and these years I am thinking of Roulette 24/7.
 My biggest dream is to make steady money from this game in order to quit my job.(as many of you)
 All these years I have made systems (like many of you) but as it is natural all these systems(including all the other people systems) are failling in front of the -2,7 disadvantage of the player.
 After this conclusion I turned into Advantage-play ,but as I have stated a lot of times,nowdays it is hard to imposible to find good wheels to take the advantage at it also needs very much time and effort and datas and team and and and......even if we can find this nice goldminer wheel it will soon close because the Casono stull will notice what we do and they will change everything(As I have said before the are 1 step forward of the APer because they also know what is Advantage-play)
  BUT I couldn t get this LIFE (making money from Roulette) out of my head!!!!(like many of you people)
 So I started thinking about a DEFFERENT approuch...something that all these years I have not seen in any of the many Forums that I have been into....something that I have never think of.....Something that would take advantage of the possibilities of Roulette BUT deferently and not as all people are trying to do.....
 After testing several spins sessions in RX I found out that my idea isn t only working...BUT it is also VERYYYYYYYYYYYYY PROFITABLE!!!!!!!!
 I also knew that this idea should have a reason(from the possibilities of cource) why it wins.(patterns and bull thing doesn't exist...no one can find a genuine reason for them to win and as million of people have searcg and explore and enginiar .... No pattern is better than any other one)
 I am a little exited right now( I say a little because we have all seen systems that make thousents of chips and then are starting to tank...they all serender in the -2.7)
  This way that I have thought of is very simple and it has a progression of cource(Flat betting isn t an option to win)
  This progression is NOT very rough...isn t veru dangerous....BUT I think there is a way to make it more safe...more small....BUT of cource the PROFITS will not be as HIGH as the progression I am using now...and it is very natural...the Bigger you bet the bigger you win....BUT I would never go in a casino to play with like 100-200 chips....My goal is to play with maximum 50 chips.
 Till now the Biggest down I had in a session was -130 with the corrent progression I am using...BUT the session end up with +109 chips from the starting BR !!!!!!!!

I will do my best to enginiar the progression....the 1st enginiaring that I made on the correct progression failed......The correct is way better!!!
 The correct way to enginiar a progression is to take the same spin session and use different progressions to see in the end what the profit will be and what is the biggest - inside the session....

So I will do my best and when I will have finished I will post the system in the Full system area....

Let s see...is there still any hope.....

[Twisteruk]

 As many of you know I have been in Roulette for about 3.5 years and these years I am thinking of Roulette 24/7.
 My biggest dream is to make steady money from this game in order to quit my job.(as many of you)
 All these years I have made systems (like many of you) but as it is natural all these systems(including all the other people systems) are failling in front of the -2,7 disadvantage of the player.
 After this conclusion I turned into Advantage-play ,but as I have stated a lot of times,nowdays it is hard to imposible to find good wheels to take the advantage at it also needs very much time and effort and datas and team and and and......even if we can find this nice goldminer wheel it will soon close because the Casono stull will notice what we do and they will change everything(As I have said before the are 1 step forward of the APer because they also know what is Advantage-play)
  BUT I couldn t get this LIFE (making money from Roulette) out of my head!!!!(like many of you people)
 So I started thinking about a DEFFERENT approuch...something that all these years I have not seen in any of the many Forums that I have been into....something that I have never think of.....Something that would take advantage of the possibilities of Roulette BUT deferently and not as all people are trying to do.....
 After testing several spins sessions in RX I found out that my idea isn t only working...BUT it is also VERYYYYYYYYYYYYY PROFITABLE!!!!!!!!
 I also knew that this idea should have a reason(from the possibilities of cource) why it wins.(patterns and bull thing doesn't exist...no one can find a genuine reason for them to win and as million of people have searcg and explore and enginiar .... No pattern is better than any other one)
 I am a little exited right now( I say a little because we have all seen systems that make thousents of chips and then are starting to tank...they all serender in the -2.7)
  This way that I have thought of is very simple and it has a progression of cource(Flat betting isn t an option to win)
  This progression is NOT very rough...isn t veru dangerous....BUT I think there is a way to make it more safe...more small....BUT of cource the PROFITS will not be as HIGH as the progression I am using now...and it is very natural...the Bigger you bet the bigger you win....BUT I would never go in a casino to play with like 100-200 chips....My goal is to play with maximum 50 chips.
 Till now the Biggest down I had in a session was -130 with the corrent progression I am using...BUT the session end up with +109 chips from the starting BR !!!!!!!!

I will do my best to enginiar the progression....the 1st enginiaring that I made on the correct progression failed......The correct is way better!!!
 The correct way to enginiar a progression is to take the same spin session and use different progressions to see in the end what the profit will be and what is the biggest - inside the session....

So I will do my best and when I will have finished I will post the system in the Full system area....

Let s see...is there still any hope.....

Thanx Jordan !


Look forward to it 

[Jordan]

OK...second attempt of enginiaring the progression in the same session...it seems good...But i need opinions!

In this session the biggest DOWN inside the session is -130 chips and in the end we make +109 chips...(with the original Progression)

With the progression modofication I managed to make the DOWN inside the session -62 chips and the END profit +44 chips


what is ur preference?

[esoito]

OK...second attempt of enginiaring the progression in the same session...it seems good...But I need opinions!

In this session the biggest DOWN inside the session is -130 chips and in the end we make +109 chips...(with the original Progression)

With the progression modification I managed to make the DOWN inside the session -62 chips and the END profit +44 chips

This second one is definitely my preference. I always prefer the lowest risk to capital because, as we know, the wheel can always bite without warning.

And GOOD LUCK with your testing.  I hope it works out for you.

And thank you for being prepared to share it with the forum if it is consistently profitable.

what is your preference?

[MrJ]

"these years I am thinking of Roulette 24/7" >>> Sounds like me.    Ken

[MrJ]

"After this conclusion I turned into Advantage-play ,but as I have stated a lot of times,nowdays it is hard to imposible to find good wheels to take the advantage at it also needs very much time and effort and datas and team and and and" >>> Very correct sir. I said it before, AP is fine in theory, thats about all. Is every wheel 100% accurate? Nope but to locate that TINY flaw over hundreds/thousands of spins, a waste of time guys. Not to mention......say you find one after WEEKS of tracking, its now 4am and the casino changed out the wheel! oops! Time to start over.  Ken

[albalaha]

The term "advantage play" is as imaginary as Norman Leigh's reverse labouchere. All the theories of bias analysis, visual ballistics, dealer's signature are theories to make fool of oneself. Nothing like this ever exist. All these concepts are vague and they work just averagely based upon luck and it is not accurate. When I confronted Steve Hermouzes in Vlsroulette.com regarding his theories and asked can you win every spin. He said no. When I asked can you win every session, he said no. I asked can you predict where the ball will go, he said not exactly. Then I asked, what advantage do you have. I can win all sessions with my holy grail. He said I can win with playing blacks only.  When I invited him to take this challenge and if he can win 10 sessions randomly picked by me, all with profit, I will consider him my Guru and leave writing and researching about roulette systems, he banned me from his forum.

yourself is an experienced player and a system writer, can you claim to win ten sessions by using a single method?

Sure I can. I can do it just betting black. But does only 10 sessions really mean anything? Any experienced player would look at the results from 10 sessions, and know regardless of the outcome, it doesn't tell us anything.

So you can win 10 real sessions of live roulette having 500 spins each and a bankroll of $1000 with $5-$500 table using a single method on all sessions, that as you say is on playing blacks only? my challenge- minimum win $500 and loss of $1000 in anyone session MEANS ULTIMATE DEFEAT. Are you willing to play that? Should I provide you 10 sessions? You will have to mark the number and winnings on them and give your technique that you used to win, and if you win all I will leave selling my system forever and proclaim you my master. Ready?

 

[Proofreaders2000]

I'm starting to think Mr. J is right.  If you're going to play roulette, play with a few numbers and with a heavy progression.  (A bettor is going to need a very large bankroll.)

[ego]

I am just going to correct what is fact and fiction - i am being polite and just say that if you know nothing about it - then a statment is noting else then empty words about some-thing you have no clue about.

The term "advantage play" is as imaginary as Norman Leigh's reverse labouchere.  All the theories of bias analysis, visual ballistics, dealer's signature are theories to make fool of oneself.  Nothing like this ever exist.  All these concepts are vague and they work just averagely based upon luck and it is not accurate.

What to tell i ask my self - well i can predict the correct ball turnaround during the spin development and make a read of a number below a deflector during the spin.
Around 9 secounds later when the ball has slow down and made a certan amount of more turnarounds before it smack into a deflector - then the number i read is with-in 4 to 5 numbers correct being the area below the deflector when ball strike it - that is even with different rotor speeds where i can adjust in real time and i only glance at the wheel at short moments.

This way i have scatter and average distance from A to B and high probability where the ball will land - then again one dominant and same deflector will not hit all the time - then i use the first one next to the sleeping area wish also allow me to have a distance wish is forward from A to B.
Then again there appers to be over-laps of areas hitting with high probability where i can predict where the ball will end up.

Talk about AP and compare it to progression and pick of numbers on the wheel with 37 degree of freedom just make some one look stupid - when you know so littel then there is not much to add.

[esoito]

"I'm starting to think Mr. J is right.  If you're going to play roulette, play with a few numbers and with a heavy progression.  (A bettor is going to need a very large bankroll.)"


I vaguely recall Winkel had an interesting 'take' on a similar (if that's the right word)  approach in which he concentrated on one number only.

[ego]

"I'm starting to think Mr.  J is right.   If you're going to play roulette, play with a few numbers and with a heavy progression.   (A bettor is going to need a very large bankroll. )"


I vaguely recall Winkel had an interesting 'take' on a similar (if that's the right word)  approach in which he concentrated on one number only.

So what is it based upon - as i recall it many base there pick of numbers based upon the tabels layout wish has nothing to do with the numbers position on the number ring.

[albalaha]

What to tell I ask my self - well I can predict the correct ball turnaround during the spin development and make a read of a number below a deflector during the spin.

Oh, you are so great, you do not need any forum. You should rather start teaching visual ballistics. If you are so much skilled with so called advantage play, would you like to have an open challenge on any live dealer roulette casino with free money?

[Jordan]

ego

From ur post it seems that u don t have enough of REAL PLAY expiriece in VB.
U may know some of the theory and tested in DVD spins(with perfect conditions wheel that U will NOT find in Casinos these days)

I can find the Correct revolution almost 8-10 times....I have perfect sence of the ball lap.SO what?

Casinos stuff after they will spot u playing with VB they can mess u up preety easy!
1 very easy example is call NMB in the 6th rev!!! GO and make prediction..can U> lol ..No u can t.

MR J  is correct...VB is perfect in theory and in the old days...

[ego]

Yes thank you it is great and it is a skill - i am allow to spend my morining coffe and time at any forum.
I dont brag as i have very littel time to play for real - once or twice a week - but my opinion is upon what matters.

Oh, you are so great, you do not need any forum.  You should rather start teaching visual ballistics.  If you are so much skilled with so called advantage play, would you like to have an open challenge on any live dealer roulette casino with free money?

Then why would i need a challange ? i donÃ,´t have to prove my point as it is based upon knowledge i gain and hard work during many years of study.
I start out with martingale at pubs wish had roulette at our contry during the 80s and move forward - and i actualy still enjoy folloing around with does for fun.

My reaction and my post above wish you qoute is to give a hint about facts wish is not fiction as the statment i qoute try to make it be - wish is not true.
AP is not easy and 100 wish attempt to succed does not make it based upon many reasons and i assume maybe 12345 out of that amount succed to a certan degree of succes.

[ego]

ego

From your post it seems that you don't have enough of REAL PLAY expiriece in VB. 
U may know some of the theory and tested in DVD spins(with perfect conditions wheel that you will NOT find in Casinos these days)

I can find the Correct revolution almost 8-10 times.  .  .  .  I have perfect sence of the ball lap.  SO what?

Casinos stuff after they will spot you playing with VB they can mess you up preety easy!
1 very easy example is call NMB in the 6th rev!!! GO and make prediction.  .  can U> LoL .  .  No you can t. 

MR J  is correct.  .  .  VB is perfect in theory and in the old days.  .  . 

Sure I know exactly what you talk about that 1 pin game and NMB and one wrong out of 10. 
I assume you are one among all does who give up and get them self a roulette computer   :love:
I understand your point of view so great and know does that even has got them self RC and still not succed.
The main reason is not NMB as it all about the degree of tilt that make so many to give up.