The road to Damascus

[trebor]

There are always references to new players and how long their learning curve is.

I "discovered" online roulette over the Christmas holiday by idly moving from the racing pages on Paddy Power.

I think I have had my conversion although at the moment the light is more of a glimmer.  With my innate sense of optimism I don't think six months is at all bad.  I shall now try to apply myself to learning what really works and leave Fender style's methods to others.

Anyone else care to say how long they took to see the way.

Hope I've not upset anyone linking gambling and religion!

To end on a positive note I've made up the 116 points I lost on Fenders' methods flat betting on single numbers.  Now that's what I call real luck.  I've stopped now while I think about my next move.

Trebor.

[StackBundles]

this aint a place for slagging other members i think your looking for vlsroulette.com

[superman]

Hey Stacks

You've been quiet lately, I think what trebor is accepting is that no matter what % of hit rate you have, random has a sequence to remove your 'edge' and he isn't slagging fender just his method.

TheZone for example, it has a good strike rate and a good progression, I have said before, his thinking is good, but the losses out weigh the advantage of the wins, when I see results like the zones, I cringe, if a player has to multiply the sacred 4th game to hopefully cover up a flaw, no, a big flaw in the trigger that tells me it's a time bomb in your wallet.

I've been playing with triggers well over a year now, as soon as there are 3 losses with no room for a steady recovery period it's time to move on, rehashing or rebashing it makes no difference as the random event after that trigger can't be worked with. 

When someone posts a new method I, as others, test it if we think something may work, after testing the way the poster stated, if it fails but still looks like maybe a different progression, fibo, up as you win etc I try them all until I can't spread the losses far enough apart for a comfortable recovery, the zone gets 2 loses in a row or 3 in a row within a 12 game attack, that's terrible at any stretch of the imagination.

You will always get losses, how often and how you handle them is key to lenghty sessions ending up in profit more often than losing.

Trebor, as I think most new players have at some point recieved the "yo buddy" email telling me not to pass it on or he'll fkin kill me, offering this great method that to a newbie looks like it cant fail so we start investigating then try it and get hooked, just what the email intended.  Within 2 to 3 weeks I had lost over Ã,£100, money that I couldn't really afford to loose so stopped playing, within a week I was searching for answers, I wanted my money back WITH profit.  Over the following weeks I found tools like roulette bot pro (total doomsday machine, sorry Matt) waiting for X reds just doesn't work then RXtreme for faster results, I have since outgrown RX as it is very limited in its programing, proper coding is easier to work with random, as random is complex.

I have eventually recouped my losses with profit but it has taken plenty of time, testing different methods/triggers for days on end, there are good triggers out there with good periods between losses, nobody doesn't get losses we all do.

[trebor]

It's just my opinion Stackbundles.  I can see that my comments might be construed as slagging, but they are just honest opinions.

I feel that being decent enough to not post on Fenders thread would be taken into consideration.  What ruined "the other place" was indeed threads being flooded with abuse.

Give me some space please.

Trebor.

[GARNabby]

Hi everyone,

I'm more of a baccarat-player, but I do occasionally play those slots, and a bit of roulette between long shuffle-ups.

Here's a post of mine over at the GG today, about gr8player's "take on flat betting".

(The gist of it was that if a game is beatable, however, then it's best and logical to base bet- size and progression on the then-ever-fluctuating, from good to bad, expectation.)

____________________________________________________________________

What gr8player wrote deserves repeating,

>>>>>1.) I can bet whenever and wherever I want to. Baccrat is a closed-en
d shoe game, and therfore by it's own inherent nature presents certain
characteristics or traits (commonly called trends) that, IMHO, can be
"taken advantage of" by the knowing, patient, and disciplined player.

2.) I can vary the sizes of my bets. Obviously, if one is a true believer
in trends and bets for "certain circumstances" in the shoe, that
same player would be best served by adjusting their bets as the current
trend unfolds.<<<<<



Look, "flat betting" every game is a non-starter, negates any sort of
possible bet-selection strategy.

This is true because if there's a way to really beat any game, then there's a few to really lose.

In fact, doing so is the one guaranteed winner for "the house", regardless which of their games are beatable, however.




Thanks, gr8, for helping me to see it that way!

[StackBundles]

sorry thought u was slaggin fender off

[trebor]

I hope we can regard it as a misunderstanding on all sides and close that aspect of my post.

I think I can take it that no one wants to share their learning experiences.

Trebor

[VLS]

Hello Trebor,

Turning a negative expectation game into consistent money is quite an endeavor. Don't expect months, but years my friend. (Sadly, you will hardly learn from a realized bettor with only months in the game). Rather success comes with years of practice and being stubborn enough. Not much different than like it is in other areas of life.

The key point here is that the experience can be obtained from both actually losing in the game and studying the game "playing virtual" and not losing money. Obviously unless you are a compulsive bettor you would like to study the game as much as possible without risking your money. Just remember to test on actuals from a live roulette table rather than RNG (this is my personal taste). Automated wheels are also OK, just be certain of being offered roulette (and not a computerized game, or atmospheric noise in an RNG, etc.)

More likely you will STUMBLE onto something when trying a lot of different approaches. Something that will catch your attention, something that makes sense to you and you will be motivated to follow-through all of the testing efforts.

The very first thing you have to determine is what type of player you want to be. Conservative? Risky?

Next what you can do is to try  bet selections for the numerical coverage adjusted to your comfort zone, get used to their fluctations, their "rythm" and once you are experienced in detecting their regular rythm, try to plug-in a mild progression, specially a positive up-as-you-win with a reset point based on how many units you need to break even from session peak.

Remember: there are different approaches depending on numerical coverage, all suited to each player; there isn't really a "superior" or "inferior" one, only working and not working.

I used to be into Dozens/Columns a lot, but these days I only play straight-up numbers, using the bet selection that is "on" at the time (read hot, working, delivering) from within an arsenal I have gathered throughout the years.

Feel free to try different numerical coverages, selections and money management schemes. Test a lot before laying a single real-money bet and overall: HAVE FUN in the process.

Regards.
Victor

[F_LAT_INO]

It's just my opinion Stackbundles.  I can see that my comments might be construed as slagging, but they are just honest opinions.

I feel that being decent enough to not post on Fenders thread would be taken into consideration.  What ruined "the other place" was indeed threads being flooded with abuse.

Give me some space please.

Trebor.

Well said Trebor,same here never posted on Fenders thread as there is
a reason why didn't.

[trebor]

Thanks for the friendly advice Victor,

As I wrote my understanding is more of a glimmer at the moment. I would say I am prepared to take a risk but that is tempered by the will to stop instantly if I sense I'm wrong. I'm certainly no compulsive gambler.

So far it seems that every approach to roulette has its followers and its defamers. How can anyone make sense of it without a lot of personal experience.

At the moment I'm more interested in any sort of flat betting techniques and I suppose that to defy the odds that means something like trends or whatever.

Trebor

[VLS]

Trebor, remember: "More likely you will STUMBLE onto something when trying a lot of different approaches".

But you have to start somewhere. Find what suits you. Start by determining if you want to use long-shots (I.e. single numbers, splits) or rather you are more of a conservative player who prefers more numerical coverage in exchange of less expected dispersion (dozens/columns/even chances).

Flat betting is great as the casino can't deplete your bank in one bad run, but still a mild progression when used properly can be the missing link in some approaches. Have no fear to try both.

Regards.