WHAT VB IS REALLY ABOUT.

[Jordan]

  Here is the Topic that I will explain to all of you the HOW and the WHY the art of VB is gaining a true advantage.
(I will not teach you here of HOW to make a VB prediction.I will just explain you the REASON of the WHY with VB he have a better advantage than the ultimate math disadvantage of the -2.7ââ,¬Â¦.IF some members will show interest after reading the post ,I will try hard to teach you of how to make a VB prediction)

There are a lot of things that I have to explain so make pop-corns, grab a drink and enjoy the reading!


  A lot of you will have the question : ââ,¬Å"But why Jordan if you know how to play VB and also know that VB is the way to win ,you don t use it and win?ââ,¬Â

This is a fair question..so I am going to give you a fair answer .

  The answer is that in order to be a professional VB player, you must have a team(of at least 3 members).And I don t have even 1 person to do it!(it is very natural having trables in finding partners to do it, because all the gamblers don t like hard thingsââ,¬Â¦they just like playing relaxed)

The reasons of having a team are 3:

1)Scout the wheels a lot faster than if you are 1 person alone.

2) CAMOUFLAGE:
Scouting the wheels by yourself is a dangerous thing. Because Casinos stuff( by cameras) will see you observing every  wheel and keeping datas. So at the time that you will have found the correct wheel to playââ,¬Â¦they will be prepared and noted that you may be playing VBââ,¬Â¦.so in the 1st 10-20 spins (because you are looking into the wheel to make prediction and you are betting lateââ,¬Â¦)they can be sure of what you are doing because they have also seen you collecting DATAS before!

3)BETTING CAMOUFLAGE:
When you have a team partner you have a very good Camo when you will be betting.   Because the one player will be making the prediction and the other will be betting (There are a lot of ways to give a camo indication to the betting partner of WHAT is the prediction)  .So this is providing you a longer time to play in this good wheel without being noticed be the Casino stuff.

VB WHEEL CONDITIONS

In order to win with VB we must have some wheel conditions:
a)Tilted wheel
Tilted is a wheel that in the majority of the spins(at least 5 of 10 ratio)the ball will hit  1 of the 4 vertical Diamonds of the wheel.
(There is a more advanced VB method that we can take advantage of the 2 Diamonds when they are next to each and when we have a certain rotor speed range,  but this is not for now.)

The tilt effect is something that still exist in the Casinos wheelsââ,¬Â¦BUT it is more rare to find it because Casinos KNOW about VB so they are more carefull than before.
Eg back in the 70s we could find 5 of 10 wheels being tilted.
Nowdays unfortunately 1 in 15 wheels will have a nice and steady tilt.

b)the second condition is that we need is a steady average jump(scatter) of the ball from the strike point number(this is the number that the ball will 1st hit into the rotor) till the number that the ball will finally land.

Casinos these modern days are using light balls and wheels with low frets in order to prevent of having a very steady scatterââ,¬Â¦BUT be observing 100 spins scatter there is a BIG chance that there will be an average scatter.

So you have just learned of the 2 CONDITIONS that are needed in order to WIN with VB.

So what is a VB prediction and why we have a better chance to win.

VB is the method that we can make a prediction of the strike point number(this is the stable valieu that we have).
So then we can add in the strike point prediction the average scatter distance and there you GO! You have a physics prediction that is not realying  in LUCKââ,¬Â¦but it is relying on FACTS.

The prediction can be made with Visual way or with a Roulette Computer. BOTH ways are on the same principals.

So the conclusion is this.

By playing a math(random) system ,in every spin we have always 1/37 chances to win(on a straight number)
But with VB with may have 1 in 25 (on the spins that will hit our AIMING Diamond).So what we are doing? We are altering the unfair odds to an advantage .
This is because if we have  strike point prediction eg the numbet 0 and we know that the average sctatter is +15 pockets and place our bets there(we are always betting 5 or more numbers of the prediction and the neighbours) the ball is  rare to make + 25 or +3 pockets jump from the strike pointââ,¬Â¦.so in other words we are IGNORING the RARE NUMBERS that the ball will not land!
SO we play with a better advantage of the random and unfair 1/37ââ,¬Â¦Ã¢â,¬Â¦

OUF!!!! I did my best with my poor English to explain you all theseââ,¬Â¦

Ok if u have questions you are free to ask. 

[Jordan]

Let me give you a very simple example.

Average scater of the ball.

Pockets of the ball jump(scatter):
1
2 x
3 x
4 x x X
5 x x x x x
6 x x x x x x x x x x
7 x x x x x
8 x x x x x x x x
9 x x x x
10 x x
11
12 x
13 x x
14
15 x
16
17 x x x
18
19 x
20 x
21
22 x x
23 x
24
25 x
26
27
28 x
29
30 x
31
32 x
33 x x
34
35 x
36

As we see from the above scatter data of this imaginery wheel ,the AVERAGE SCATTER PATTERN IS + 6 pockets from the strike pont number.....

So  we are ignoring the RARE landings of the ball on the +0 to + 2 pockets and also at the +10 to the +36 pockets....

so we are playing bets at the prediction +6 pockets(in front of the strike point)  plus the 3 and 3 neighbours of the right and the left of the prediction.....
This means that we are betting in every spin 7 chips.

so this means that if we win 1 of 5 spins we will be always + .

With VB we are betting on PHISICAL FACTS.....(tilt , rotor speed ,average scatter)
With maths we are always betting in every spin with 1/37 chances.

[6th-sense]

sounds basic enough but you would need a very good eye and fast response concerning placing bets.plus calculating speed of ball etc and a brain like a computer and hands as fast as lightning.plus oodles of time to find a table and if the casino camera,s on you it will also be on your partner and how quick would he or they have to be to interpretet your chosen numbers?i would say superman quick

[F_LAT_INO]

  Here is the Topic that I will explain to all of you the HOW and the WHY the art of VB is gaining a true advantage.
(I will not teach you here of HOW to make a VB prediction.I will just explain you the REASON of the WHY with VB he have a better advantage than the ultimate math disadvantage of the -2.7ââ,¬Â¦.IF some members will show interest after reading the post ,I will try hard to teach you of how to make a VB prediction)

There are a lot of things that I have to explain so make pop-corns, grab a drink and enjoy the reading!
Jordan amico,

Very nicely all explained....BUT....my friend N.T./who btw took the Ritz casino
for bundles 6 years ago/wouldn't agree with you.Why??
Cause he is struggling ever since to find a suitable tables around the world
for his VB play.Recently he lost plenty at Gold Coast-surfers paradise-in
Queensland Au......and all this due to the fact that casinos have changed
balls,smaller and faster.Just my 2 cents...that there is no longer future in
this kind of play.


  A lot of you will have the question : ââ,¬Å"But why Jordan if you know how to play VB and also know that VB is the way to win ,you don't use it and win?ââ,¬Â

This is a fair question..so I am going to give you a fair answer .

  The answer is that in order to be a professional VB player, you must have a team(of at least 3 members).And I don't have even 1 person to do it!(it is very natural having trables in finding partners to do it, because all the gamblers don't like hard thingsââ,¬Â¦they just like playing relaxed)

The reasons of having a team are 3:

1)Scout the wheels a lot faster than if you are 1 person alone.

2) CAMOUFLAGE:
Scouting the wheels by yourself is a dangerous thing. Because Casinos stuff( by cameras) will see you observing every  wheel and keeping datas. So at the time that you will have found the correct wheel to playââ,¬Â¦they will be prepared and noted that you may be playing VBââ,¬Â¦.so in the 1st 10-20 spins (because you are looking into the wheel to make prediction and you are betting lateââ,¬Â¦)they can be sure of what you are doing because they have also seen you collecting DATAS before!

3)BETTING CAMOUFLAGE:
When you have a team partner you have a very good Camo when you will be betting.   Because the one player will be making the prediction and the other will be betting (There are a lot of ways to give a camo indication to the betting partner of WHAT is the prediction)  .So this is providing you a longer time to play in this good wheel without being noticed be the Casino stuff.

VB WHEEL CONDITIONS

In order to win with VB we must have some wheel conditions:
a)Tilted wheel
Tilted is a wheel that in the majority of the spins(at least 5 of 10 ratio)the ball will hit  1 of the 4 vertical Diamonds of the wheel.
(There is a more advanced VB method that we can take advantage of the 2 Diamonds when they are next to each and when we have a certain rotor speed range,  but this is not for now.)

The tilt effect is something that still exist in the Casinos wheelsââ,¬Â¦BUT it is more rare to find it because Casinos KNOW about VB so they are more carefull than before.
e.g. back in the 70s we could find 5 of 10 wheels being tilted.
Nowdays unfortunately 1 in 15 wheels will have a nice and steady tilt.

b)the second condition is that we need is a steady average jump(scatter) of the ball from the strike point number(this is the number that the ball will 1st hit into the rotor) till the number that the ball will finally land.

Casinos these modern days are using light balls and wheels with low frets in order to prevent of having a very steady scatterââ,¬Â¦BUT be observing 100 spins scatter there is a BIG chance that there will be an average scatter.

So you have just learned of the 2 CONDITIONS that are needed in order to WIN with VB.

So what is a VB prediction and why we have a better chance to win.

VB is the method that we can make a prediction of the strike point number(this is the stable valieu that we have).
So then we can add in the strike point prediction the average scatter distance and there you GO! You have a physics prediction that is not realying  in LUCKââ,¬Â¦but it is relying on FACTS.

The prediction can be made with Visual way or with a Roulette Computer. BOTH ways are on the same principals.

So the conclusion is this.

By playing a math(random) system ,in every spin we have always 1/37 chances to win(on a straight number)
But with VB with may have 1 in 25 (on the spins that will hit our AIMING Diamond).So what we are doing? We are altering the unfair odds to an advantage .
This is because if we have  strike point prediction e.g. the numbet 0 and we know that the average sctatter is +15 pockets and place our bets there(we are always betting 5 or more numbers of the prediction and the neighbours) the ball is  rare to make + 25 or +3 pockets jump from the strike pointââ,¬Â¦.so in other words we are IGNORING the RARE NUMBERS that the ball will not land!
SO we play with a better advantage of the random and unfair 1/37ââ,¬Â¦Ã¢â,¬Â¦

OUF!!!! I did my best with my poor English to explain you all theseââ,¬Â¦

Ok if you have questions you are free to ask. 

[Jordan]

Sounds basic enough but you would need a very good eye and fast response concerning placing bets.plus calculating speed of ball etc and a brain like a computer and hands as fast as lightning.plus oodles of time to find a table and if the casino camera,s on you it will also be on your partner and how quick would he or they have to be to interpretet your chosen numbers?i would say superman quick

This isn t the case...
If you have never experienced a VB prediction you can t have an opinion on it...
As for the fast placing bets...this is one more reason why there must be 2 people to do it...the 1 is making pred and other is betting.


Jordan amico,

Very nicely all explained....BUT....my friend N.T./who by the way took the Ritz casino
for bundles 6 years ago/wouldn't agree with you.Why??
Cause he is struggling ever since to find a suitable tables around the world
for his VB play.Recently he lost plenty at Gold Coast-surfers paradise-in
Queensland Au......and all this due to the fact that casinos have changed
balls,smaller and faster.Just my 2 cents...that there is no longer future in
this kind of play.

Flatino the Ritz team WIN isn t as u think ....
It was a Casino managment deal with them in order to do money londery....
Someone has explained it to you wrongly!
Ritz team win was a set up....the very easy wheel conditions was on perspose...
So keep the poor talking only for urself.

As for the negative and imature posts...what can I say?
I promised to Vic that I will behave...so I will have to just delete them.

[F_LAT_INO]

Jordan amico,

Very nicely all explained....BUT....my friend N.T./who by the way took the Ritz casino
for bundles 6 years ago/wouldn't agree with you.Why??
Cause he is struggling ever since to find a suitable tables around the world
for his VB play.Recently he lost plenty at Gold Coast-surfers paradise-in
Queensland Au......and all this due to the fact that casinos have changed
balls,smaller and faster.Just my 2 cents...that there is no longer future in
this kind of play.

F_LAT_INO the Ritz team WIN isn t as you think ....
It was a Casino management deal with them in order to do money londery....
Someone has explained it to you wrongly!
Ritz team win was a set up....the very easy wheel conditions was on perspose...
So keep the poor talking only for urself.

As for the negative and imature posts...what can I say?
I promised to Vic that I will behave...so I will have to just delete them.


[/quote]Jordan,

Now my friend you went to far.
These things I know from the first hand,and not from someone that explained to me.
Niko ToÃ...¡a is my friend and we had many casinos night spent together.
And why would my post you consider negative,cause I said that there is not future
in that kind of playing.In fact thats what Niko said to me.It seems that somebody
explained things to you wrongly,my dear Jordan.

[6th-sense]

i didn,t think mine was immature i was just stating the obvious from your 1st post.how does your partner know what to bet on when you are making the prediictions?how would you relay the imformation excactly and quick enough for him to bet all the while remaining unnoticed?if you had the time for that why not place the bets yourself
would it not be more accurate ,quicker and less unnoticible?what as well would be the time frame to actually find a suitible table to study and make enough profit to cover your travelling ,hotel, food and parteners expenses.simple basic questions not immature from anyones point of view who wants to study the art of vb don,t you think?

[Jordan]

I didn,t think mine was immature I was just stating the obvious from your 1st post.how does your partner know what to bet on when you are making the prediictions?how would you relay the imformation excactly and quick enough for him to bet all the while remaining unnoticed?if you had the time for that why not place the bets yourself
would it not be more accurate ,quicker and less unnoticible?what as well would be the time frame to actually find a suitible table to study and make enough profit to cover your travelling ,hotel, food and parteners expenses.simple basic questions not immature from anyones point of view who wants to study the art of vb don't you think?

The post about the bear was imature.

Now about the above things that you said:

there is a way that the partner that is betting can IMEDEATELLY understand where is the position of the prediction.and it requires 1 sec to understand it.
As for why you can t place the bets ourselfs is because we are close to the wheel making predictions...and the table with the carper is far....(it is also matter of CAMO as I explained in my 1st post)...so as you understand now it is quicker and less noticable IF we have a PARTNER!
As for the partners expences ...If you have a partner you also have a Bigger BR, don't you think?
So betting with biger chips you are making Bigger profits....

I can handle any question and I am very happy to anwer them in order for you to understand finally what VB is really about.
But please don't post your questions as they aren't question ...u are posting things like assumptions....
1st ask...learn  and then make as many assumptions as you like

As for F_LAT_INO:
I never said that winning with VB nowdays is simple and quick....I have said that 100 times! So as you can now understand no one explained to me the things wrong....
As for the Ritz Team it was a deal between the Casino and the team in order to wash money.

[esoito]

At this point, Jordan, you have 2 choices:

*  bite back (....please don't....you are being tested by some of the comments!)

or

* simply carry on with your interesting explanations.

[MrJ]

For all non-VB (AP) players >>> Anyone reading/responding to Jordans thread(s), lets PLEASE be consistent. Asking him questions, no problem. I hope Victor does not have to quote a dictionary as far as what does 'rude' or 'negative' mean? Please, lets let Jordan explain his side and then, only FAIR questions for the guy. No one (future posts) needs to slam VB in any form. I/we dont want him slamming method play so lets all be consistent. I'm trying to be as non-bias as I can, thank you!


Ken

[chrisbis]

I have a question for U J.

How does Dealer signature and dealer change over affect  VB?

[Jordan]

MRJ

"""Please, lets let Jordan explain his side """

What you fail to understand so many years in the forums is that VB is NOT MY SIDE or ANYONES SIDE!!!
Please don't take things so personaly....
VB is a way to play...MATHS is a way to play.
The point is WHICH of those 2 methods has a GENUINE REASON to be able to win in the long run ...

So its not that I AM A VB PLAYER and you are a MATH PLAYER...leave those TITLES to the side PLEASE.....
This thread is made from me just to HELP,HELP,HELP the people that has no clue about VB or the people that have misanderstood VB to understand what really is about.
If after understanding what VB really is ,they continue to think that MATHS are better ,then its their choise...no problem from me.I am not selling anything neither VB is a religion....
THANK YOU!

chrisbis

My friend. I am glad that you asked this question because you gave me the oportunity to CLEAR THIS MESS in the heads of the people that doesn't know what VB is.
people that doesn't know VB think that  the dealer change or dealer signature can afeect VB....

THIS IS A VERY WRONG THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VB has NOTHING to do with DS or DEALER CHANGE!

Dealer Signatute is a BIG GAMBLERS FALLACY!
The players that play  Dealer Signature are the people that are FAILLING to master the art VB and insted of it they THINK by playing Ds they are gainning an advantage! SO WRONG!

Let me explain it to you very accurate.

Imagine that Roulette wheel is a TARGET.and that the ball is the DART.
Imagine that in every spin the wheel(target) can move with different speeds....and also the ball(DART) can be thrown ANY speed(ancle)...(this is the real case when we play in a casino)

With VB what we do in every spin is:

1)Measure the speed of the moving target(meaning wheel speed)
2)Measure the DART ancle (meaning ball cairtein REVOLUTION in order to know WHEN the ball will hit the wheel )
3)add the wind blow power(meaning the scatter of the ball when it will 1st impact the wheel till the landing number)

So as you may understand with VB we have ALL the factors CALCULATED!

WITH DEALER DIGNATURE we do NOT have ANY of these calculated!!!!!!!!

With ds we just HOPE that:

1)The dealer will throw the ball with the same speed as the spin before(impossible!!!)
2)The dealer to spin the wheel with the same speed as the spin before(Impossible!!!...Even 1 pocket/sec faster or slowr than the last spin speed will give a resault that can be COMPLETELY OPOSSITE from the last SPIN!!!!)
3)that the ball will do the same scatter as in the spin before(meaning that we haven t record enough scatters to find out the AVERAGE SCATTER!)

So as you understand ONLY in the Dealer Signature Fallacy the dealer change can affect things......by the way as you may understood above ,even if the dealer will not change we can t win !

I hope that I solved your questions

[chrisbis]

Clear as mud.

The question was for the community, as well as myself. 

Im a subscriber to the GenuineWinner,com site, so I know all about
the 'art', just don't need it at the mo, since I am at this time (maybe different next year)
only able to play my Roulette on line, and not B&M yet.

(and I don't have the big $$$$$ that the lads over there
want for the reader, & they just put the prices up!!)

Thanx for a most enjoyable response, and Im sure all readers will be interested in the contents.

Please keep Ur posts coming on this most fascinating subject.

(Next time I'll include a little mark in my question to indicate,
its a Q. on behalf of the community.) 


I'm Loving Ur take on life Jord.   

[chrisbis]

Perhaps U could post up the array of sites to visit,
and all the info U have gleaned on the sudject in this thread,
so that folk can gen themselves up on the !ART!

an thus U will have a more ...... 'enlightened' audience to post to!. 

[chrisbis]

Woooo
Wooooo
Woooooo Jordan.

Did not say I was buying.

Did not say I was ever going to buy anything.

And I would have done a lot of research before hand on him/them anyway.

But thank U for the words of help.


Can U see now why I'd like to read as much info on the subject in here please!!