WHAT VB IS REALLY ABOUT.

[Jordan]

No problem.
Just don't read anything from this scam.because you will never learn what VB is really about!
He will just confuse you even more!

Laurence Scot
Jafco
Forester

These are the only genuine people that you can learn....

exclude Mark Howey , Bob Gordon and ofcource Stef Harmouzis

[Twisteruk]

No problem.
Just don't read anything from this scam.because you will never learn what VB is really about!
He will just confuse you even more!

Laurence Scot
Jafco
Forester

These are the only genuine people that you can learn....

exclude Mark Howey , Bob Gordon and ofcource Stef Harmouzis

Ive read loads this last 2 Years or so

And ive concluded I cant trust any of the mentioned ppl with my money

He says this you say that they say this he did that......

There it seems, is no obvious way, to tell who is genuine and who is not.

[Jordan]

Twisteruk

When someone has learned the correct and the only way to make a VB prediction he can tell WHO is genuine and who isn t by reading their MATERIALS...

So I have read all their materials and I KNOW for sure which of them are SCAMS and which are GENUINE.

ps. There aren't a lot of ways to make a genuine VB prediction...there is ONLY 1.

[Twisteruk]

Twisteruk

When someone has learned the correct and the only way to make a VB prediction he can tell WHO is genuine and who isn t by reading their MATERIALS...

So I have read all their materials and I KNOW for sure which of them are SCAMS and which are GENUINE.

ps. There aren't a lot of ways to make a genuine VB prediction...there is ONLY 1.

Yes Im sure ure correct.

However I was talking from my perspective.

I dont even know if what you say is true.

NO, thats not an attack. Just a plain and simple staement based on the available info.

I would need to meet you and everyone else on that list and spend time with them to determine who was being truthful.

Who taught you Jordan ? I ask because ive long believed your pov to be the correct one

[Jordan]

My friend find me just 1 good reason of WHY ME not to be true?
I mean WHY what would be my motive to tell you lies?
I don't sell anything. I am not promoting anyone....I don't have anything to gain.....

I am just trying to help the people that maybe are intrested in VB.And help the people that has misandertood VB to find out what it really is.
This is my only motive ...to HELP YOU.

as for who tought me:

1) I read Laurence Scot VB material(basic principals of  VB)
2) I read Jafco VB material and tought how to take advantage of 2 Diamonds and learn how to clock ROTOR SPEED with the most fast and accurate way.(advance method)We have also sent about 100 e-mails to each other  to clear some things up.
3) I bought 3 Rcs of Forester and learned HOW a RC is making Calculations.
4) I have even made my OWN RC that combining it with human Rotor calculation  has great accuracy(but I don't need it any more because VB is more relaxed with the same and even better accuracy from ALL the RCs)

4)I have read Bob Gordons material and its is JUST an estimation...u can t use it to gain an advantage(it is a little better than the Dealer signature)

5)I have read the Genuine Winner of Harmouzis(they sent it to me for free) and I saw that it was a very basic Dealer Signature that you can t use it anyware.It is just Random predictions.

Do you need more?

My VB knowledje is very solid.
Trying to prove that I am not true has no meaning,because as I said my motive is just to help.

[Twisteruk]

My friend find me just 1 good reason of WHY ME not to be true?
I mean WHY what would be my motive to tell you lies?
I don't sell anything. I am not promoting anyone....I don't have anything to gain.....

I am just trying to help the people that maybe are intrested in VB.And help the people that has misandertood VB to find out what it really is.
This is my only motive ...to HELP YOU.

as for who tought me:

1) I read Laurence Scot VB material(basic principals of  VB)
2) I read Jafco VB material and tought how to take advantage of 2 Diamonds and learn how to clock ROTOR SPEED with the most fast and accurate way.(advance method)We have also sent about 100 e-mails to each other  to clear some things up.
3) I bought 3 Rcs of Forester and learned HOW a RC is making Calculations.
4) I have even made my OWN RC that combining it with human Rotor calculation  has great accuracy(but I don't need it any more because VB is more relaxed with the same and even better accuracy from ALL the RCs)

4)I have read Bob Gordons material and its is JUST an estimation...u can t use it to gain an advantage(it is a little better than the Dealer signature)

5)I have read the Genuine Winner of Harmouzis(they sent it to me for free) and I saw that it was a very basic Dealer Signature that you can t use it anyware.It is just Random predictions.

Do you need more?

My VB knowledje is very solid.
Trying to prove that I am bit true has no meaning,because as I said my motive is just to help.

Yes I accept that could be the truth.

I also accept that all the other ppl mentioned on that list would say the same thing or words to that effect.

So, are you looking to build a Team ?

How do you intend to help me ?

[Jordan]

So, are you looking to build a Team ?

How do you intend to help me ?

I just told you that I have nothing to gain.....
Looking for biulding a TEAM would be a GAIN for me ...wouldn t it be?
Even if my motive was to build a TEAM it can t be done! Because we live in different countries!

The help that I am providing to all of and NOT just you is:

1)Learn the WHY the VB art has an genuine advantage on Roulette. Instead of the Math systems that are based on PURE LUCK.

2)Make in the mind of any member in here clear that VB isn t a scam either something that rely on luck.

3)IF I will see that from all the topic ,some members will show real interest(because they finally understood WHAT VB IS REALLY ABOUT) I am prepared to give you step by step all of my KNOWLEDJE and experience in order for playing.....

Nothing is easy with VB..... BUT at least anyone that has the patience and sharp breain to use it he can REALLY take an advantage and be a winner in the LONG RUN.

Casinos have a lot of money and everyday are ripping more and more players that are playing math systems.
So my only motive is to try and help you to make some money from them.....
After all its not my money

[Jordan]

If you like to take a taste of a VB prediction go and read and watch all this Topic :

link::// rouletteplace.com /index.php?topic=868.0

[Twisteruk]

So, are you looking to build a Team ?

How do you intend to help me ?

I just told you that I have nothing to gain.....
Looking for biulding a TEAM would be a GAIN for me ...wouldn t it be?
Even if my motive was to build a TEAM it can t be done! Because we live in different countries!

The help that I am providing to all of and NOT just you is:

1)Learn the WHY the VB art has an genuine advantage on Roulette. Instead of the Math systems that are based on PURE LUCK.

2)Make in the mind of any member in here clear that VB isn t a scam either something that rely on luck.

3)IF I will see that from all the topic ,some members will show real interest(because they finally understood WHAT VB IS REALLY ABOUT) I am prepared to give you step by step all of my KNOWLEDJE and experience in order for playing.....

Nothing is easy with VB..... BUT at least anyone that has the patience and sharp breain to use it he can REALLY take an advantage and be a winner in the LONG RUN.

Casinos have a lot of money and everyday are ripping more and more players that are playing math systems.
So my only motive is to try and help you to make some money from them.....
After all its not my money

Ok, thats brilliant  

Many thanx for your good intentions  

[flukey luke]

I would like to give my unbiased opinion here.
When you are trying to decide who is telling the truth and who is not, you only need to make a few simple calculations and things should become a bit clearer.
There are people out there who are claiming hit rates of 1/18. This is ridiculous.
Gonzalo Garcia-Pelayo (the biased wheel bloke) had an edge of roughly 6%. This was enough to make him over a million dollars in a few years before he was not allowed in any casino.
If you can hit 1/18, This means you have about a 40% edge. If this was the case, they would be no casinos left    In fact, you and your team would have won 10's of millions. You would certainly not be on any internet forum talking to the public trying to convince them to part with a few thousand. You would keep it to yourself and people you could trust. This is what Garcia did. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a sucker.

So maybe when you ask who the honest people are? Ask yourself this question.
Who is NOT selling anything, but is generous enough with their time to point you in the right direction. Why would they do this? Obviously, some of them have a great passion for the game.
My answer here would be Kelly and Snowman and Laurance to a lesser degree. (I say to a lesser degree because Laurance does sell VB material, however to be fair to him, he does not claim overnight success and his material was advanced stuff even 20 years ago. The guy has being there and done it)
The rest are just clever marketing men who only need a few suckers every year to make it worth their while. I forget who they are just now  
Jordan is pretty much right on the money with his opinions. Of that, I am 100% convinced.

[Jordan]

flukey luke
I completelly agree with you mate!

And you are right that if a person claims to have 1:18 advantage now days ..he is really a SCAM!

The real advantage that we can have nowdays on average is about 5%...so u are correct in that too.

thanks for ur reply

[Jordan]

As for the topic that I gave you to watch :

I was very new in VB at that time and thought that a RC can have greater accurasy than VB.
I was WRONG!
After my expirience in the real wheels I found out that VB is better than any RC.

There are reasons for that ...but it is very begining to try and explain to you the why because you don t even know what VB really is.

And yes u understood correct! The person that is giving you the VB lesson in tjis videos is me

[Jordan]

I just deleted an offentive and out of topic post.
sorry.

I am trying to help the ppl in here....all the offendive posts that are filling the topic with $hits will be revoved
thank you.

[ego]

Well i agree but still donÃ,´t understand what was shit and offensive

[Jordan]

Just stick around. You may learn some things