Turbo, KTF and the trot; all are here, Vaddi?

[Steve]

Madi, you don't appear to be considering when someone is misleading many people with complete BS, the more experienced members can and should alert people.

He should stay out of it if people want to remain ignorant, and waste time and money. But who wants that? The people he and i correct are running around spreading bullshit, and many people are eating it up. And thats when with professional advice. Now imagine if BS was allowed to reign without ANY opposition.

[Firefox]

Isn't there some forum here where people can discuss mathematical based systems without anyone contradicting them, and they can live their dreams and fantasies in peace?

That seems a good idea, whereas in the general forum, it's all up for debate 

[Steve]

Yes, it's here:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?board=108.0

[nottophammer]

So the 10/10 came and spin 11 is another non-hit; so the daily opening spins; the 1 repeat is late.
For spins 11-40; we expect to see another 15 non-hits, we see 13 came.
The average for 60 spins is 30 non-hit and 30 repeats; like BBB said. So with only 23 non-hits; we could see another 7 non-hit, you see 8 came.
The TROT is there; compare it to the time tables. Look at the Generals star burst time table; the averages are there.



Turbo spin 38 +40

Over at G oof  F orum Eugene and DSSA perhaps the blue socks work better. As for the joker of the pack; Mr J; poor bloke still waiting for the train or a street to complete, that’s why there at G oof         F orum   folks.
DSSA a bucket of KFC waits for you.

[nottophammer]

Eugene and DSSA

If you know how Turbo plays for repeat of hot number; spin 51, +435

Not that 1 pocket to0 far

[Madi]

Madi, you don't appear to be considering when someone is misleading many people with complete BS, the more experienced members can and should alert people.

He should stay out of it if people want to remain ignorant, and waste time and money. But who wants that? The people he and i correct are running around spreading bullshit, and many people are eating it up. And thats when with professional advice. Now imagine if BS was allowed to reign without ANY opposition.

In that sense all the threads are useless and misleading isnt it? Whats  your say now.

You missed some point. Sucker , forumtard. Dont miss.

There is difference between correcting people and pushing people again and again to manipulate working in his favour.

[Steve]

The name-calling is perhaps not constructive. But people need to be mature enough to look past that and see the facts. Like i keep saying, focus on the message.

Theres nothing wrong with the word suckers. Ignorance is what casinos rely on. Forumtards is a bit much though.

You need to understand the ignorance is on the same level as flat earthers. Even when irrefutable facts are in front of them, they just dont get it. With this level of ignorance, and when being polite about it doesnt work, a kick in the ass might have a better effect. It would push some people the wrong way, but again they need to grow up and look past name calling.

If someone criticized and called me names, id focus much more on whether the criticism  was justified, and if i needed to change something.

Yes, it is an unfortunate fact that most systems are useless. The threads are not useless - most are just another step to realization of what does and doesnt work. But when they are repetitive nonsense, ignoring basic probability, they go beyond normal learning and more into the area of blindness. It is not just system tinkering. Most people actually believe one bet selection method is better than another, when reality is random is random.

The worst part is not inaccuracy. We are learn in stages. The worst part is constantly ignoring clear logic and irrefutable verifiable fact, when the proof is right in front of them.

[Mako]

As long as the system junkies are simply testing their methods in simulation, and not wasting money on actual wheels, (or buying said 'systems' from peddlers) then the whole "Oh, we're just trying to save you from yourselves...we have only the most noble of intentions, aren't we great people" justification for being belligerent and calling people "forumtards" goes out the window.

Caleb: You enjoy trolling. Nothing wrong with admitting it.  Yes it's looked down upon by most, but I definitely can see the value of a good troll in certain areas, and am certainly not above it myself. 

But it's been years now, across multiple forums, the same cut and pasted replies, the same "oh my buddies invented LOTT as an excuse to cops" story (which as I've said before has nothing at all to do with whatever you want to call the phenomenon of 37 spins out, and the same # of unhits as repeats at the end of the cycle). 

That story is irrelevant to the discussion and again, has absolutely nothing to do with why LOTT persists today...the results are the reason it persists, how it happens over and over and over in every single 37 spin cycle.  Why every new Roulette player finds it, on their own, without ever hearing the story, how they see it form every...single...time....always...in...every...cycle.

It's the only predictable thing about the wheel actually, the lone case of "yup, that happens always" that occurs during a series of spins.

Now...whether we can exploit that fact financially, that consistent outcome for a positive expectation?  Unknown.  So far, NOPE.  Can't be done.

However, people like Rik and Ed are trying, which is fine, nothing wrong with it so long as they aren't selling systems.  Let them try, free from constant, and I mean constant, ridicule, insults, and worst of all, the same repetitive posts that have been posted for years now about "why it will never work".

So to sum up: We "forumtards" and "system junkies" and "insert-any-insult-and-condescending-prick-attitude-you-choose-here" have all heard everything you've ever said...and everything you're ever going to say. 

We got it.  Number of pockets, bad pay-out, yep, we get it.  Wrote it down, saved it on the PC, etched it in stone.  Got it.  All set.

You've done your duty, you've saved humanity from itself.  We salute you, thank you for your service in this area.  We've noted how nothing ever ever will work ever because the wheel is short a pocket and the payout is wrong. 

And I'm not being sarcastic, I personally do appreciate the information you've provided, the actual reasons why systems haven't performed over the hundreds of years the game has existed.  It's good to hear what we're up against.

But the rest of it, the constant shaming and shouting down of people who want attention, even yes the sociopathic narcissists, is unnecessary.  We don't need saving.  We can read.  We can understand the wheel is a pocket short, and the payout is wrong.  It's ok.  We're fine, because the smart ones don't ever play an actual dollar anywhere without verifying that the system or method is accurate and can create a positive return.

And if we do?  And we lose? That's ok too.  We'll live. 

Let the flat-earthers believe what they want...why do you care if they're not wasting actual money? 

[Madi]

Steve
You need to understand that when people learn first , they all go through these nonsense. I did marti u did as well. Over time they fix them up. U didnt come to this position in one day . U took 20+ years. Let them spend that time if they dont listen , want to discover by themselves.

There are lots of reason people make system. Lets say one man got casino 200 km aways. Only available nearby is slot rng. He has dream and motivation. That keeps him alive.

Now a days exploiting wheel is not a viable option. There is not even 10 wheel in total in NSW

[The General]

Steve
You need to understand that when people learn first , they all go through these nonsense. I did marti u did as well. Over time they fix them up. U didnt come to this position in one day . U took 20+ years. Let them spend that time if they dont listen , want to discover by themselves.

There are lots of reason people make system. Lets say one man got casino 200 km aways. Only available nearby is slot rng. He has dream and motivation. That keeps him alive.

Now a days exploiting wheel is not a viable option. There is not even 10 wheel in total in NSW

One of my favorite systems is the reverse Labroche.  The reason is because when it wins, it can win big.

If you don't have wheels then try the slots

[Madi]

One of my favorite systems is the reverse Labroche.  The reason is because when it wins, it can win big.

If you don't have wheels then try the slots

Sorry we got all well maintained casino. They spend millions for maintenance. No broken wheel. They got 100s of general or caleb to check the abnormalities.

[Steve]

Let them spend that time if they dont listen , want to discover by themselves.

The problem is when someone is constantly misleading others who arent quite educated or experienced enough to know better. It wastes their time. Yes, the follower needs to learn better. The opposite of someone blatantly misleading people (intentionally or not) is an asshole that says it like it is. It's the required balance.

There are lots of reason people make system. Lets say one man got casino 200 km aways. Only available nearby is slot rng. He has dream and motivation. That keeps him alive.

Delusion keeps him alive? It isn't much of a life. Does this person want to be one of the blissfully ignorant sheep that make billionaires richer?

Understand I'm not saying not to develop systems. I'm saying ....

1. TRY SOMETHING NEW

2. UNDERSTAND BASIC PROBABILITY AND WHY MOST SYSTEMS FAIL

[Steve]

Also understand people contact me daily explaining the system they're using. I had one guy last week saying his red/black system kept failing, and the reason was he thinks the casino is forcing the ball to avoid his bets - he even sent me video of the wheel in question, and I just saw normal ball behavior. He said he was desperate for money because of debt, and needed to make money quick or he could be jailed. He also has a young family.

He shouldn't even be looking at casinos as a way to pay debts. It's a bad motive and bad mindset for professional play. Such situations are not uncommon.

I feel sorry for these people although they make their own decisions. Not everyone is just looking to play for fun. There are some desperate people, and people playing for serious reasons.

When I see self-professed "gurus" misleading people, I think of the damage they are doing. It has nothing to do with what I do or sell. Really, I earn more than enough, from numerous sources, to not give a shit if someone doesnt like the idea of my technology. On those matters I only care that people understand I'm honest.

So when people like Caleb tell the truth about what does and doesnt work, even in a harsh way, it is far more beneficial than the self-professed gurus misleading people. Sure some people just play for fun and like to play with systems. But others both believe bullshit and bet real money that adversely affects real people's lives.

If anyone doesnt like to hear about probability and reality, then ignore it. Caleb is abiding by the rules here. what he does elsewhere is not my concern.

Yes he might annoy you with repetitive comments. But I've explained everyone's options, including asking him to stay off your thread (consider the no-trolling rules), or starting a thread in the system player area. I have put up with far greater issues. The annoyance of what someone says about probability is laughable if it really annoys anyone. You dont have to live with caleb or anyone who explains why a system wont work. Some people shouldnt be so sensitive.

[Madi]

Also understand people contact me daily explaining the system they're using. I had one guy last week saying his red/black system kept failing, and the reason was he thinks the casino is forcing the ball to avoid his bets - he even sent me video of the wheel in question, and I just saw normal ball behavior. He said he was desperate for money because of debt, and needed to make money quick or he could be jailed. He also has a young family.

He shouldn't even be looking at casinos as a way to pay debts. It's a bad motive and bad mindset for professional play. Such situations are not uncommon.

I feel sorry for these people although they make their own decisions. Not everyone is just looking to play for fun. There are some desperate people, and people playing for serious reasons.

When I see self-professed "gurus" misleading people, I think of the damage they are doing. It has nothing to do with what I do or sell. Really, I earn more than enough, from numerous sources, to not give a shit if someone doesnt like the idea of my technology. On those matters I only care that people understand I'm honest.

So when people like Caleb tell the truth about what does and doesnt work, even in a harsh way, it is far more beneficial than the self-professed gurus misleading people. Sure some people just play for fun and like to play with systems. But others both believe bullshit and bet real money that adversely affects real people's lives.

If anyone doesnt like to hear about probability and reality, then ignore it. Caleb is abiding by the rules here. what he does elsewhere is not my concern.

Yes he might annoy you with repetitive comments. But I've explained everyone's options, including asking him to stay off your thread (consider the no-trolling rules), or starting a thread in the system player area. I have put up with far greater issues. The annoyance of what someone says about probability is laughable if it really annoys anyone. You dont have to live with caleb or anyone who explains why a system wont work. Some people shouldnt be so sensitive.

Steve

Help that guy. Take some money from him as investing. Use that money to you ur 120% edge compi. Its preety sure you win. Keep half of the winning . Give him back half with capital. Would be great help

[Steve]

We don't need bankroll.

Even if we did, I wouldn't want to take investor funds. It complicates the situation.