Beating the even money

[jono1167]

Agree, and it's where we need to focus.  We'll need hints or guidance as well, I doubt even as a group that we'll be able to look at the raw output and determine favorable switch points without some direction.

Baccarat players understand this, much easier though to look at their elaborate roadmaps if you're searching for a switch strategy.  Much harder with Roulette, I would advise playing with red/black EC over high/low just because visually it may be easier to spot successful switch points in RX or R-Sim due to the colors standing out.

Great work Mako, MiniRoll and Mister Eko. I will be running tests using Marvin’s method. I haven’t been able to figure out Winners switching method, however the more games I play, something may become obvious.....

This could be significant, from Winner yesterday. “Jono forget that ,all I said above is heres a sequence repeat it and stop on a win .So if your first pair was a 1 you should stop that’s a Win if it lost continue with the next pair and so on.until you win.”

[Mako]

Great work Mako, MiniRoll and Mister Eko. I will be running tests using Marvin’s method. I haven’t been able to figure out Winners switching method, however the more games I play, something may become obvious.....

This could be significant, from Winner yesterday. “Jono forget that ,all I said above is heres a sequence repeat it and stop on a win .So if your first pair was a 1 you should stop that’s a Win if it lost continue with the next pair and so on.until you win.”

He just meant that each attempt is it's own mini-session Jono, as in:

1 - win, stop, next attempt
1 - win, stop, next attempt
2221 - loss, loss, loss, win, stop, next attempt
221 - loss, loss, win, stop, next attempt

It's not a procedure hint, just how he applies the progression itself (2222221 = 1-1-1-1-2-4-8w).

The switch triggers are what matter, Winner mentioned 30 of them based on his previous experience, that's the key.

As in: 1,2,1,1 = switch. Or 2,2,1 = stay.  Those are pretend examples, I have no idea what they really are heheh.

He has pre-determined sequences setup as switch triggers and reacts in real-time accordingly. 

[Firefox]

One of the definitions  and features of random numbers is that future results should not be influenced or dependent on previous ones. Therefore the concepts of chops and runs are meaningless and you are chasing your tails trying to predict them.

The only difference between Baccarat and Roulette is Baccarat labours against a minus 1% edge whereas even chance roulette (with partage & 1 zero) has minus 1.35%.  Against either game, systems based on past results fail, but they fail quicker at Roulette than Baccarat. Which is why casinos often force you to play higher stakes at Baccarat, so  they can recover their money quicker.

[Mister Eko]

What I not understand that why it is a good progression. When he wins at spin 3, he is -1. Only  generate profit, when he wins at f first spin. Why not just use flatbet, and after -5, raise unit size to 2 example. If he wins at spin 7, the result is -2.

[jono1167]

He just meant that each attempt is it's own mini-session Jono, as in:

1 - win, stop, next attempt
1 - win, stop, next attempt
2221 - loss, loss, loss, win, stop, next attempt
221 - loss, loss, win, stop, next attempt

It's not a procedure hint, just how he applies the progression itself (2222221 = 1-1-1-1-2-4-8w).

The switch triggers are what matter, Winner mentioned 30 of them based on his previous experience, that's the key.

As in: 1,2,1,1 = switch. Or 2,2,1 = stay.  Those are pretend examples, I have no idea what they really are heheh.

He has pre-determined sequences setup as switch triggers and reacts in real-time accordingly. 

Cheers Mako, thanks for clarifying. The switching method has me stumped.

What Firefox says obviously makes sense, although it’s not stopping Winner.

I’ll keep going with Marvin’s, if nothing else, it’s a bit of fun.

[miniroll171]

If, as he says, he has about 30 different patterns to chose from, then he must be dealing with blocks of 5.

12111 or 12221 for example.

As a five digit sequence with 2 numbers possible for each digit makes 32 combinations? 2x2x2x2x2=32

Not really sure how this would help predict future events though...

[jono1167]

If, as he says, he has about 30 different patterns to chose from, then he must be dealing with blocks of 5.

12111 or 12221 for example.

As a five digit sequence with 2 numbers possible for each digit makes 32 combinations? 2x2x2x2x2=32

Not really sure how this would help predict future events though...

Me too miniRoll! I’m afraid it’s beyond my comprehension.....

[Firefox]

What Firefox says obviously makes sense, although it’s not stopping Winner.

I’ll keep going with Marvin’s, if nothing else, it’s a bit of fun.

Systems are definitely fun as long as one realises that, and they don't win long term. If I run out of the right conditions on VB roulette, I tend to play occ small bets on even chances, or even occ positive progressions such as paroli or rev lab. Rev lab can definitely be distributed or cashed to make a quick hit. But these occ small stake random bets are basically just to justify hanging around and looking at diamonds or wheel speeds or dealer characteristics.

Winner is onto a positive 4 or 5 times SD position if his figures are accurate.

I'm suprised nobody has really mentioned the d'Alambert when playing against even chances without a zero. It's a very good system for steady profit. It can get get you into a nasty hole, same the Marty, which balances the wins, but it's a much gentler idea and smooths out big variations with a STOP.

[Mister Eko]

1,1,2, bet 1
2,2,1, -1 bet 2
1,1,1, -4 bet 1
1, W -3 bet 1
1, W -2 bet 1
1, W -1 bet 1
1, w +0 bet 1
2,1, W +0 bet 1
2,0,1, -1 bet 1
1, W +0 bet 1
2,1, w +0 bet 1
2,2,1, -1 bet 2
2 w +0 bet 2
2, w +1 bet 2
2, w +2 bet 2
1,2, w +2 bet 2
2, w +3 bet 2
2, w +4 bet 2
2, w +5 bet 2
2, w +6 bet 2
2, w +7 bet 2
1,2, w +7 bet 2
1,1,2, +6 bet 1
0,1, w +6 bet 1
2,1, w +6 bet 1
2,1, w +6 bet 1
1, w +7 bet 1
1, w +8 bet 1
1, w +9 bet 1
2,1, w +9 bet 1
2,2,2,  L +6 bet 2
1,2, w +6 bet 2
2, w +7 bet 2
1,2, w +7 bet 2
1,2, w +7 bet 2
1,1,1, L +4 bet 1
1, w +5 bet 1
2,2,1, w +4 bet 2
1,2, w +4 bet 1
1, w +5 bet 1
1, w +6 bet 1
1, w +7 bet 1
2,2,2, L +4 bet 2
1,1,1, L +1 bet 1
2,1, +1 bet 1
1, +2 bet 1
1, +3 bet 1
2,2,2, +0 bet 2
1,2, +0 bet 2
2, +1 bet 2
1,2, +1 bet 2
1,2, +1 bet 2
2, +2 bet 2
1,2, +2 bet 2
2, +3 bet 2
2, +4 bet 2
2, +5 b2
1,1,1,+2 b1
1,1,1, +5 b1
2,1, +5 b1
1, +6 b1
2,2,1, +5 b2
1,2, +5 b1
1, +6 b1
2,1, +6 b1
2,2,1, +5 b2
1,1,2, +4 b1
1, +5 b1
1,1,0,1, +8 b1
2,2,1, +7 b2
1,1,2, +6 b1
1, +7 b1
1, +8 b1
2,2,2, +5 b2
1,1,2, +4 b1
1, +5 b1
1, +6 b1
2,1, +6 b1
1, +7 b1
1,
1,
1, +10 b1
2,2,1, +9 b2
1,2, +9 b1
1, +10 b1
2,1, +10 b1
1, +11 b1
1, +12 b1
2,1, +12 b1
2,1, +12 b1
1, +13 b1
2,1, +13 b1
2,1, +13 b1
1,
1,1, +16
1,1,1,1,1, +21
2,2,1, +20 b2
2, +21 b2
1,2, +21 b2
2,2,2, +24 b2
1,1,1, +21 b1
1,1,1, +24 b1
2,2,1, +23 b1
1,2, +23

FLATBET. Max drawdown -4, profit +23. This is first version, I jsut try to improve, twist this somehow...

[Mister Eko]

One very long session. Max drawdown was -19, but I managed to win +13 units at the end. I dont know, I feel its too stable, soo the recovery comes, but inconsistent sometimes.

But win is win, maybe I should change wingoal to +4 only, it would be easier to reach, Today with this +36 units, max drawdown -19. Not the best its sure !!

1,1,1, b1
2,2,1, -1 b2
1,2, -1 b1
1,1, +1 b1
2,1, +1 b1
1, +2 b1
2,1, +2 b1
0,1, +2 b1
2,2,1, +1 b2
1,1,0, -2 b1 x2
1, +0 b1 x1
1, +1 b1
2,1, +1 b1
2,2,1, +0 b2
1,1,0, -3 x2 b1
1, -1 x1 b1
2,2,2, -4 x2 b2
0,0,1, -10 x3 b2
2,2, -4 b2 x2
2,2, +0 b2 x1
2,2, +2 b2     
1,2, +2 b2
2, +3 b2
1,1,1, +0 x2 b1
2,2,1, -2 b2
1,2, -2 b1
1, +0 x1 b1
2,1, +0 b1
2,1, +0 b1
2,2,1, -1 b2
1,1,2, -2 b1
2,2,2, -5 b2 x2
1,1,1, -11 b1 x3
2,1, -11 b1
1, -8 b1
2,2,1, -11 b2
2,2, -5 x2 b2
1,1,1, -11 x3 b1
2,2,1, -14 b2
2,
2, -8 x2 b2
1,2, -8 b2
2,2,2, -2 x1 b1
2,2, +0 b2
1,1,1, -3 x2 b1
1, -1 x1 b1
2,2,2, -4 x2 b2
1,1,1, -10 x3 b1
2,2,2, -19 x4 b2
2,2, -11 x3 b2
1,1,2, -14 x3 b1
1,1, -8 x2 b1
1,1, -4 x2 b1
2,2,1, -6 x2 b2
1,1,2, -8 x2 b1
2,2,1, -10 x2 b2
1,2, -10 x2 b1
2,1, -10 b2
2, -8 b2
1,2, -8 b2
1,2, -8 b2
2,2, -4 x1 b2
2, -3 b2
1,1,1, -6 x2 b1
1,1, -3 x1 b1
2,1, -3 b1
2,2,1, -4 b2
1,2, -4 b1
2,1, -4 b2
1,2, -4 b1
1,1, -2 b1
0,1,1,0,1,
1,0,1,1,
1, +2 b1
2,2,0,1, +1 b2
2,2, +3 b2
1,1,1, +0 x2 b1
1, +2 x1 b1
2,2,1, +1 b2
2, +2 b2
1,2, +2 b2
1,2, +2 b2
1,1,2, +1 b1
1,1,1, +4 b1
2,1, +4 b1
0,0,1, +3 b1
2,0,1, +3 b1
2,1, +3 b1
1, +4 b1
2,1, +4 b1
2,1, +4 b1
1,1,1, +7 b1
2,2,2, +4 x2 b2
1,1,2, +2 x2 b1
2,2,2, -4 x3 b2
2,2, -1, x2 +1 x1 b2
1,1,1, -2 x2 b1
1, +0 x1 b1
2,1, +0 b1
1, +1 b1
2,2,2, -2 x2 b2
2, +0 x1 b2
1,1,2, -1 b1
1, +0 b1
2,1, +0 b1
2,2,1, -1 b2
1,1,2, -2 b1
1,1,
1, +1 b1
2,1, +1 b1
2,2,2, -2 x2 b2
2,2,2, +2 x1 b2
2, +3 b2
1,2, +3 b2
2,2,2,
2, +7 b2
1,2,  +7 b2
1,1,2, +6 b1
1, +7 b1
2,1, +7 b1
2,1, +7 b1
2,
2,0, +4 x2 b2
0,1,2, +4 x2 b2
1,1,1, -2 x3 b1
1,1,1, +4 x1 b1
2,1, +4 b1
2,2,2, +1 x2 b2
2, +3 x1 b2
1,2, +3 b2
1,1,1, +0 x2 b1
2,2,1, -2 b2
1,1,2, -4 b1
2,2,2, -10 x3 b2
2, -7
2,2, -3 x2 b2
1,0,1, -9 x3 b1
1, -6 x2 b1
2,1, -6 b1
1, -4 b1
2,1, -4 b1
1, -2 b1
2,1, -2 b1
1,1,
1, +2 x1 b1
2,1,  +2 b1
2,1, +2 b1
2,1, +2 b1
2,2,2, -1 x2 b2
2,2,
2, +3 x1 b2
1,2, +3 b2
1,2, +3 b2
1,1,2, +2 b1
2,1, +2 b2
2,2,
2,  +5 b2
1,1,1, +2 x2 b1
2,2,2, -4 x3 b2
2,2, +1 x2 b2
1,2, +1 b2
0,1,2, +1 b2
1,0,1, -2 x2 b1
1,1,1, +2 x1 b1
2,1, +2 b1
2,1, +2 b1
2,1, +2 b1
1,1, +4 b1
2,2,1, +3 b2
1,1,2, +2 b1
1,1, +4 b1
2,1, +4 b1
1, +5 b1
2,1, +5 b1
2,2,1, +4 b2
1,2, +4 b1
2,1, +4 b2
1,1,1, +1 x2 b1
1,1, +2 x1 b1
2,2,1, +1 b2
2,2,2, +4 b2
1,2, +4 b2
1,1,2, +3 b1
2,2,2, +0 x2 b2
1,1,1, -6 x3 b1
1,0,1, -1 x2 b1
2,2,2, -7 x3 b2
1,2, -7 x3 b2
0,1,1, -16 x4 b1
2,1, -16 b1
1, -12 x4 b1
2,1, -12 b1
2,1, -12 b1
1, -8 x3 b1
2,1, -8 b1
1,1,0,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,0,1,1, +6 x1 b1
2,2,2, +3 x2 b2
1,1,1, -3 x3 b1
1, +0 x2 b1
2,2,1, -2 b2
2,2,2,2, +3 x1 b2
1,1,2, +2 b1
2,1, +2 b2
2,2, +4 b2
1,1,1, +1 x2 b1
2,2,1, -1 b2
2, +1 x1 b2
1,1,2, +0 b1
1,1, +2 b1
2,1, +2 b1
1,1,1, +5 b1
2,1, +5 b1
2,1, +5 b1
0,1, +5 b1
2,2,2, +2 x2 b2
2,2,2, +6 x1 b2
1,2, +6 b2
2,2,2, +9 b2
1,1,1, +6 x2 b1
1,1,1,1,1,1, +13 b1

[Mister Eko]

Thanks for sharing this system Winner.

Have been looking into it and thought I would do some testing on how often Chops and Streaks appear. May be of use to someone.

I ran this through 100,000 randomly generated spins in a program I wrote, and these were the results:

Chops (high followed by a low, or low followed by a high): 25042
Streaks (two lows or two highs): 24958

The longest run of Chops in a row was 15
The longest run of Streaks in a row was 8
The longest run of alternate switches in a row (Chop, streak,chop, streak etc.) was 10

I found it interesting that the longest run of chops was much higher than streaks even over 100,000 spins, so I ran another 100,00 spins and the results were:

Chops : 24984
Streaks : 25016

The longest run of Chops in a row was 18
The longest run of Streaks in a row was 8
The longest run of alternate switches in a row (Chop, streak,chop, streak etc.) was 10

Longest run of chops is still way more than longest run of 'streaks' so ran one more time:

Chops : 24990
Streaks : 25010

The longest run of Chops in a row was 15
The longest run of Streaks in a row was 9
The longest run of alternate switches in a row (Chop, streak,chop, streak etc.) was 10

So it seems Chops and Streaks occur in pretty much equal amounts over the 100,00 spins as expected, but there might be value in betting for chops as you would suffer shorter losing streaks. You would need a progression that could overcome the longest run of streaks (9 in a row), plus maybe two extra as '0' might pop up just when you don't want it to!

So a progression that can handle 11 losses in a row and bet on chops 

If anyone would like any other data from this let me knwow and I'll program it in.

Thanks for the tests!

Can you test, how many 3 sequence repeaters come in a row?
Example

2 2 2
1 1 1
222

Its 3 repeated sequence in a row.

Or 111
222
111
222

Its a 4 in a row.

But the 111
111
111 its not 3 repeat. I calculate 3 spin repeats that they change 1 to 2 and back. Do you unserstood this approach?

Would be good to know for me   

[Winner]

Thanks for the tests!

Can you test, how many 3 sequence repeaters come in a row?
Example

2 2 2
1 1 1
222

Its 3 repeated sequence in a row.

Or 111
222
111
222

Its a 4 in a row.

But the 111
111
111 its not 3 repeat. I calculate 3 spin repeats that they change 1 to 2 and back. Do you unserstood this approach?

Would be good to know for me   

Your on the track with the switch congratulations

[Mister Eko]

Your on the track with the switch congratulations

Am I on the right way Winner?

[Winner]

 

Am I on the right way Winner?

[jono1167]

Am I on the right way Winner?

Mister Eko - did you give up on the Marvin staking plan?