Beating the even money

[jono1167]

Hello guys,

Let's imagine the following situation ...

I'm going to the roulette table...
Let's pretend that the following sequence/triplex occurred. (1,1,2)
I then start betting on the dominant (1). I can win or lose. Right?

Actually the triplex did not happen in the past spins. I just pretended that it occurred. Do you understand the point here?

The wheel doesn't give a crap on what happened in the past.

That's the problem with most systems.
Repeaters, uniques, trends, patterns, etc are all  only in your head.

Most of the systems I use to play baccarat, I bet  that an extremely rare event will not occur. That's the way I like it.

Soon I'll post some of my strategies here.

Please be polite.

Cheers

Andre, of course what you say makes perfect sense. If the game was predictable and it followed a predetermined set of rules, then we wouldn't need to worry about using a progression. Everything would be flat-bet. We use a progression when our system doesn't behave like we expect it to.

For me, using a system is about being consistent. Knowing exactly what decision to make when an outcome occurs....

Firefox said something interesting in the Colour Matrix thread... he believed the colour matrix system provided a mental advantage because the pressure of making a decision was taken off the person placing the bet. I agree with this. The same applies to using a system. When you're following a set of rules, the pressure of making a decision is lifted from your shoulders. When the system fails (bet loses), a progression is introduced.

The physics guys are going to hate this, but in the face of all evidence to the contrary, I believe a HG is possible! I also believe that with discipline, and a good system (set of rules), the house edge can be beaten. Yep, this is coming from the guy who spends most of his time testing....

Here is Firefox's original quote form the Colour Matrix thread....

I've been thinking about this and can see an advantage .... but not a mathematical one, it's a psychological one!

It enables you to bet fairly randomly on both red and black but have the pressure of bet selection taken off you.

This could be an advantage if you're playing a progression fairly deep. There's  some pressure to choose the right target and it's possible to beat yourself up if you get it wrong.

But following the chart, that pressure is taken off you. You can always blame the matrix if it was the wrong choice

Therefore the system is more fun and relaxing to play, and for that reason better than making a personal decision each time 

Hey Andre, at least you and Winner have the balls to bet with real money! I'm not there yet..... but I'm close.

[Firefox]

More fun, but not more profitable

And yes, a HG is possible based on increased prediction accuracy. Looking at patterns in even chances for the last three/ten/hundred/thousand spins does not give you any increase in prediction accuracy.

Negative progressions simply alter your win/loss patterns. They give you steady profits and then a thumping loss at some stage. And you lose more in the end, because you expose bigger bets to the house edge (0)

[jono1167]

More fun, but not more profitable

And yes, a HG is possible based on increased prediction accuracy. Looking at patterns in even chances for the last three/ten/hundred/thousand spins does not give you any increase in prediction accuracy.

Negative progressions simply alter your win/loss patterns. They give you steady profits and then a thumping loss at some stage. And you lose more in the end, because you expose bigger bets to the house edge (0)

I'm with you Firefox. I don't like progressions either. I use them reluctantly and I'm always looking at ways of keeping them as low as possible....

[Anastasius]

F.fox How do u increase ur chances is it with visual ballistics .i dont understand vb since they alter the spin speed and also the ball scattering and they call off the bets half way thru a spin.. or is there some other method

[poluvolo]

HI again one more day of testing  playing as  atlantis idea
betting against 2 triplets same patterns
only one break rule
so about 2 same patterns 111 and 222
O/E  WE BETTING AGAINST
H/L WE BETTING AGAINST
B/R  WHEN WE HAVE  111 OR 222  DOUBLE SAME PATTERNS AT BLACK RED  WE DOND BET AGAINST
so my results after 1000 spins at airball machines
LW
W
W
W
LW
LLW
W
W
W
W
L
W
LW
W
LW
LW
W
W
LW
W
LW
W
W
LW
W
LW
W
W
LW
LLLW
W
W
LW
W
LW
W
LW
W
W
LLW
LLLW
W
LLW
W
W
W
LW
W
W

[Firefox]

#Antonius Anything which increases prediction accuracy.

1. Visual ballistics
2. Computer ballistics
3. Wheel defects analysis
4. Dealer spin and signature analysis

They are all different and they are not applicable all the time. You have to find the right conditions. You can't just rock up and play. You have to do a lot of homework both away from the wheel and at it.

VB is not viable on high speed wheels with a lot of scatter or on wheels where you can't bet late into the spin. It's a B&M casino method, and for certain conditions only. You have to clock the spin speed on every single spin before you observe or decide to play, and you have to be able to do that by counting in your head to an accuracy of 0.1 to 0.2 seconds.

[Firefox]

I'm with you Firefox. I don't like progressions either. I use them reluctantly and I'm always looking at ways of keeping them as low as possible....

Low progressions and insurance lines alter your win loss patterns again. You have steady wins but not so consistent, and just medium losses when it goes wrong.

Unfortunately the uneven pay off means that whichever way you twist and turn with bet selection and bet size you still end up losing, on average, the total amount bet multiplied by the house edge.

In Winner's hypothetical game with no zero, and no house edge, whichever way you bet, be it flat, negative progression, or positive progression, you will, on average, end up breaking even.

[boyd30]

Jono and others.

I give you one testing approach with zeros.

If any of yours twisted system survival these approach, you will win in long run.

I can go through it but it will of course take some time. Is it live spins? Besides that I will do my own tests.

[loukoumas]

If i had to choose amongst all these quality systems posted in this topic, i will go for just two:
a)   Atlantis  xxxxxx+xx  approach (bet opposite from two previous same triplets).
b)   jono' s  xxx+xxx approach (waiting for  the 1st leg of a triplet  start repeating itself once, then bet  for the 2nd triplet the dominant ECs from the previous one.
In both approaches i would go  for just TWO bets.
Tracking for a new pattern would be right UPON (not after) either a real win or a virtual one (in case we had to stop due to a losing string).
Optimal progression is still questionable for both approaches.
Jono dont disregard Labby yet. You may find an interesting  modification here  link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14305.msg121536#msg121536 to adapt it, as an alternative to Dalembert from your previous post.
Cheers

[Madi]

Guys
One thing i need to say, when u design system just dont use any kind of progression. More powerfull progression just indicates weak selection. Its been enough with progression. Now its time to leave it. Start new day

[jono1167]

If i had to choose amongst all these quality systems posted in this topic, i will go for just two:
a)   Atlantis  xxxxxx+xx  approach (bet opposite from two previous same triplets).
b)   jono' s  xxx+xxx approach (waiting for  the 1st leg of a triplet  start repeating itself once, then bet  for the 2nd triplet the dominant ECs from the previous one.
In both approaches i would go  for just TWO bets.
Tracking for a new pattern would be right UPON (not after) either a real win or a virtual one (in case we had to stop due to a losing string).
Optimal progression is still questionable for both approaches.
Jono dont disregard Labby yet. You may find an interesting  modification here  link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14305.msg121536#msg121536 to adapt it, as an alternative to Dalembert from your previous post.
Cheers

Loukoumas

Great work tracking down the extra information on the labouchère. I’ll read up in it later. I’m happy to give it another go.... I’ve got to say though, the d’alembert hasn’t let me down yet. I’ll post more results tomorrow morning.

You’re right Loukoumas, there is a lot of quality information in this thread. I’d love to know a bit more information about Winners ‘Worm Guard’. Having said that, I feel more confident that I have some handy tools at my disposal.

Cheers Loukoumas

[atlantis]

Hi
Yesterday  I played  as ATLANTIS idea
wait until two same triplets  then  bet against
all EC at the same time not only H/L
of course more betting oportunities
my results after session from airball machines
180 spins two hours
LW
W
LW
W
W
LLW
W
of course to early  but.... vry nice results
cheers
about  your last post ATLANTIS  YOU PLAY TRIPLETS AND BETTIING FOR DOMINANT OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT IDEA?

L

Hi poluvolo,

Thanks for your results.
Yes - "Triplet Takedown" is a something different idea! However am testing strength of it with Mister Eko's challenge +0's results to see how it handles those.
After the conclusion of the test I will report back with the results for all to see.
A.

[poluvolo]

Could be possible someone
explain  the switching method from Mister eko?
I mean the method about  betting  Same and Against  at previus triplets
only with one small example

[Winner]

Worm 🐛 guard results
Lwl+1
Wwl+2
Wwl+3
Www
Www+4
Lww+5
Wll+6
Lwl+7
Www
Lww
wlw+8
Wlw+9
Www
LLw+10
Wwl +11
Www
Wll+12
LLL +13
Wwl+14
Lwl+15
LLw +16
LLL +17

[poluvolo]

how many spins average winner  these results?