Beating the even money

[Person S]

I already broke my head. After trying a lot of progressions, everyone rolls down.
I wonder how to be here with such a series, 1122211111111111101 is one of your publications, mine is a murderer

[Winner]

I already broke my head. After trying a lot of progressions, everyone rolls down.
I wonder how to be here with such a series, 1122211111111111101 is one of your publications, mine is a murderer

I already broke my head 😂 Adivil can help with your headache
That one the chops ruled but not a loss .trend is your friend

[jono1167]

Here is more results Random has been tamed.
Here is a flat bet to a progression .
Flat bet until -4 then my progression starts 2 4 8 16

211212111112222121=-2
2100211211211112112=+2
1011222121111122112=+3
112221212122211212=-2
212221222212112111=+0
12122102112222122021=-2
2110022122211121101201=0
2121202211121222111=+0
211122122212112211=-2
210210111201111211111=+7
112111122222111211=+3
2111122122122100112=+1
1222210121212111222=+2
2222122012112122122=+7
1220022202112220222211=+11
2121221222221220212= +13
Highest bet was. 4units in the progression @1111loss 2,4
Random has been tamed
Sorry can’t give out the actual strategy but I in courage you to find a strategy that works for you using this method it’s there just look for it .

More impressive numbers Winner. You’re certainly giving us plenty of clues.. Amazing......

[jono1167]

I already broke my head. After trying a lot of progressions, everyone rolls down.
I wonder how to be here with such a series, 1122211111111111101 is one of your publications, mine is a murderer

My betting strategy would not have survived this run of chops. A stop-loss would have been needed.

I will post some results soon which show this.

[jono1167]

The results of three more cycles.

Please note, using the mini labouchere betting, you often come to the end of an 18 spin cycle with the labouchere string incomplete. I have decided it’s better to finish the betting string. For that reason, the first game (below) extended to 20 betting cycles. 

1, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 2, 2 (+11)

2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 2 (+21)

2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2 (+12)

During the third game it handled a stretch of chops. I have reproduced this section below.

1 - 1 (1 +1 =2) Bet 2. CHOP. (-2)
1 - 1 - 2 (1 +2 =3) Bet 3. CHOP. (-5)
1 - 1 - 2 - 3 (1 +3 =4) Bet 4. CHOP. (-9)
1 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 (1 +4 =5) Bet 5. CHOP. (-14)
1 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5  (1 +5 =6) Bet 6. RUN. (-8)
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 (1 +4 =5) Bet 5. CHOP. (-13)
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 -5 (1 +5 =6) Bet 6. RUN. (-7)
2 - 3 - 4 (2 +4 =6) Bet 6. RUN. (-1)
3 (3 +0 =3) Bet 3. CHOP. (-4)
3 - 3 (3 +3 =6) Bet 6. RUN. (+2)

Please notice a couple of things. Firstly, after the fourth spin it drops to (-14). Fortunately it recovered. However a couple more CHOPS and I would have been in trouble. A stop-loss might be sensible. Maybe 25 units for the stop-loss to kick in.

Notice I was betting for RUNS, but the CHOPS outnumbered the RUNS 6 - 4, yet I still emerged with a + 2 profit.

Over to you Winner. It did well, but an unfavourable run would hurt.

[Winner]

@ Jono nice results
My results my profit with your game all 3 is +8
Here this what you look for
Everyone knows that there’s short and long series my view is that a short series is from 1to 4 then from 5 and up you have long ,it’s in the long series where you have to find the switch by that I mean look for the number where you can switch your bet so variance does catch you. In my case I have a note book full of results I can go back and read it over-and over until I find something that does occur and can use it .It was on one thread I found it .it was a GLC post . He was more into playing around with progression but it was the idea what I used and switched it to the bet selection progression are not hard when it comes to even money you either win the first or you lose and try to recover simple .my head doesn’t  hurt any more and I don’t need Advil . Lol

[Mako]

@ Jono nice results
My results my profit with your game all 3 is +8
Here this what you look for
Everyone knows that there’s short and long series my view is that a short series is from 1to 4 then from 5 and up you have long ,it’s in the long series where you have to find the switch by that I mean look for the number where you can switch your bet so variance does catch you. In my case I have a note book full of results I can go back and read it over-and over until I find something that does occur and can use it .It was on one thread I found it .it was a GLC post . He was more into playing around with progression but it was the idea what I used and switched it to the bet selection progression are not hard when it comes to even money you either win the first or you lose and try to recover simple .my head doesn’t  hurt any more and I don’t need Advil . Lol

A GLC thread comes to mind after reading your post, and it was actually something he detailed that won over time when I tested it (which is rare...nothing I test ever wins long, and most of them fail within the first 3000 spins).

The problem I had with it is that it couldn't be scaled in terms of the units bet without hitting typical table limits, so your net earning per hour were too limited to pursue it.

What you've done Winner is taken the core foundation and tweaked it a bit with a much faster recovery, improving it greatly. 

I haven't tested or attempted to work out what it is you're doing, looking forward to doing so when I get time, but regardless I want to say good job on building on the work of a well respected player with a long history of actual play.

Too often we're trying to build pyramids on quicksand, using a concept from someone who may not have played much outside of test software, or someone without years worth of actual play results (knowledge).  It doesn't mean their work is useless, but it does mean the odds of it being successful are likely much lower.

Lot of diamonds from past posters here and on VLS, but those diamonds may be still coal...have to apply some effort to turn it into what you want, and you're doing that. 

[jono1167]

@ Jono nice results
My results my profit with your game all 3 is +8
Here this what you look for
Everyone knows that there’s short and long series my view is that a short series is from 1to 4 then from 5 and up you have long ,it’s in the long series where you have to find the switch by that I mean look for the number where you can switch your bet so variance does catch you. In my case I have a note book full of results I can go back and read it over-and over until I find something that does occur and can use it .It was on one thread I found it .it was a GLC post . He was more into playing around with progression but it was the idea what I used and switched it to the bet selection progression are not hard when it comes to even money you either win the first or you lose and try to recover simple .my head doesn’t  hurt any more and I don’t need Advil . Lol

Winner, I bet you don't dip down too low like I have a couple of times. You achieve sure and steady results. I like it....

More useful clues.... I will keep testing and see if I stumble across anything.

Thanks Winner

[jono1167]

A GLC thread comes to mind after reading your post, and it was actually something he detailed that won over time when I tested it (which is rare...nothing I test ever wins long, and most of them fail within the first 3000 spins).

The problem I had with it is that it couldn't be scaled in terms of the units bet without hitting typical table limits, so your net earning per hour were too limited to pursue it.

What you've done Winner is taken the core foundation and tweaked it a bit with a much faster recovery, improving it greatly. 

I haven't tested or attempted to work out what it is you're doing, looking forward to doing so when I get time, but regardless I want to say good job on building on the work of a well respected player with a long history of actual play.

Too often we're trying to build pyramids on quicksand, using a concept from someone who may not have played much outside of test software, or someone without years worth of actual play results (knowledge).  It doesn't mean their work is useless, but it does mean the odds of it being successful are likely much lower.

Lot of diamonds from past posters here and on VLS, but those diamonds may be still coal...have to apply some effort to turn it into what you want, and you're doing that. 

Mako, as I keep saying, there is too much good info on this forum. The biggest problem is keeping up with it all. I have got so much stuff bookmarked. I will eventually come back to it when I get a chance...

Cheers Mako

[Winner]

121121222121212112=0
1110112121112212122=-1
2112122111112012121=+2
121212111212121121=+6
Try to spot where I went into my progression after 4 losss in row and if you can switch it to an advantage.

[Winner]

Winner, I bet you don't dip down too low like I have a couple of times. You achieve sure and steady results. I like it....

More useful clues.... I will keep testing and see if I stumble across anything.

Thanks Winner

I haven’t experienced extreme drawn down.ithink it’s because Im keeping it to a flat bet until a -4 but the combination of the bet selection combined with MM is interesting.
It’s simple just keep your records so you can go over  them .

[jono1167]

121121222121212112=0
1110112121112212122=-1
2112122111112012121=+2
121212111212121121=+6
Try to spot where I went into my progression after 4 losss in row and if you can switch it to an advantage.

Yep, game 3. There was a series of 5 CHOPS. You were betting RUNS (as usual).
18 spins. 7 RUNS. 11 CHOPS. 

CHOPS beat the runs 11 - 7 but you still came away with +2 profit.

Great work Winner

[jono1167]

I haven’t experienced extreme drawn down.ithink it’s because Im keeping it to a flat bet until a -4 but the combination of the bet selection combined with MM is interesting.
It’s simple just keep your records so you can go over  them .

Winner - You've given us so many clues, you have practically spelled it out. Your advice on when to begin the progression will be very useful. The whole premise of this system where results are packaged into CHOPS and RUNS is brilliant.

[Winner]

Winner - You've given us so many clues, you have practically spelled it out. Your advice on when to begin the progression will be very useful. The whole premise of this system where results are packaged into CHOPS and RUNS is brilliant.

Thank you ,I really want you  guys to have something that works every time you play.thats  what I looked for for long time. Honestly I gave up roulette for a 2 years thought it was just nothing left to try i was wrong.

[Winner]

Here’s some more .
211112122112211212+2
222211202221022202221-2
2201122221222121122+3
111221112222222122+6
Profit +6