Beating the even money

[jono1167]

Have you ever needed that 32u bet in your progression Winner, or is it there as a last-resort? 

And if you don't have a stop loss and lost the 32u bet, would you just reset back to 1u and start over, taking the loss, or continue the marty to 64u?

Interesting how 2BOBBET / Jono / Mister Eko are modifying the selection of the system but using the same foundation.  Good job guys, and thanks Winner for continuing the discussion. 

Mako, my mini lab system did really well when RUNS and CHOPS were even. It even did well when CHOPS outnumbered RUNS by three or four. Unfortunately it couldn’t handle a run from hell when CHOPS vastly outnumbered RUNS.

I’m going to play around with Marvin’s staking plan and 2Bobs method this weekend.

Hopefully you can start testing too.
Cheers Mako

[Mako]

Have you tried playing with this?

Just started today, read through everything and did a few tests to confirm I understand the base mechanics.  I haven't done enough work to start using any sort of MM yet, I did everything flat bet at first to see how it flows from cycle to cycle, and to get a feel for +/- STD after each round.

I like it so far, it's easy to track, fun to play.   

Mako, my mini lab system did really well when RUNS and CHOPS were even. It even did well when CHOPS outnumbered RUNS by three or four. Unfortunately it couldn’t handle a run from hell when CHOPS vastly outnumbered RUNS.

I’m going to play around with Marvin’s staking plan and 2Bobs method this weekend.

Hopefully you can start testing too.
Cheers Mako

I will, I think we need to stick to the fundamentals that Winner has laid out, only when those are exhausted should we venture off into alternatives.

Correct me if I'm wrong boys, but to me that means flat betting until at 4x losses in a row, then beginning an aggressive progression. 

The real mystery lies in how Winner identifies when to switch bets from runs to chops, or back again, so far we're not very close in figuring that out.  That should be where we emphasize our efforts, then tweak the MM to follow.

In your examples of switching Winner so far it doesn't seem like there's an obvious pattern, like say "four chops in a row, switch to runs for the next four bets" etc. 

Very cool how you've used large scale tests to refine your work, it's the way it should be done for everything we pursue.

[Winner]

Jono here’s what I got
1 wlwllwlll:wlwlw+9
2wlwllwwlll:lwwlllwl +9
3,wlwwl:wlwwllllwl+9
4,wlwllwwlllwwl:lwl+9
5,wlwllwwlllwwl:lwl+9

[jono1167]

Jono here’s what I got
1 wlwllwlll:wlwlw+10
2wlwllwwlll:lwwlllwl +9
3,wlwwl:wlwwllllwl+9
4,wlwllwwlllwwl:lwl+9
5,wlwllwwlllwwl:lwl+9

Damn Winner, you take the chocolates....!

The ‘run from hell’ for me turns into a pay-day for you!

Mister Eko? Anyone else??

[Mako]

Jono here’s what I got
1 wlwllwlll:wlwlw+9
2wlwllwwlll:lwwlllwl +9
3,wlwwl:wlwwllllwl+9
4,wlwllwwlllwwl:lwl+9
5,wlwllwwlllwwl:lwl+9

Hahaha, wow...impressive. 

[jono1167]

Correct me if I'm wrong boys, but to me that means flat betting until at 4x losses in a row, then beginning an aggressive progression. 

The real mystery lies in how Winner identifies when to switch bets from runs to chops, or back again, so far we're not very close in figuring that out.  That should be where we emphasize our efforts, then tweak the MM to follow.

In your examples of switching Winner so far it doesn't seem like there's an obvious pattern, like say "four chops in a row, switch to runs for the next four bets" etc. 

Very cool how you've used large scale tests to refine your work, it's the way it should be done for everything we pursue.

Correct Mako, although Winner never seems to go too far into his progression.

Good luck Mako, look forward to seeing your results 😊.

[Winner]

Ok here will have some fun and please be truthful cause my system can tell if your lying 🤥
I’m going to give 8 results I want you to follow the the result untill you win one unit I don’t care if yo do a 8 step Marty this is just for fun  stop on your first match of my sequence
   12211212  start with this how fast can you win

[Mako]

Ok here will have some fun and please be truthful cause my system can tell if your lying 🤥
I’m going to give 8 results I want you to follow the the result unit you win one unit I don’t care if yo do a 8 step Marty this is just for fun  stop on your first match of my sequence
   12211212  start with this how fast can you win

I get +/- 0u for that string, break-even?

[2BobBet]

@ Jono and Mako

FYI I have not modified anything ,I am just using the 9 against 9 as Winner has already posted earlier in the thread,which he said was the best combination as its very hard for random to replicate the line above

Example
1,1,2,1,1,1,1,2,2,
2,1,1,2,2,1,1,1,2  bet for this line not to repeat the above

I have only used the money management as Winner set out  1u,1u,1u,1u,1u,2u,4u,8u,16u    9 steps total, if I lose on the 9 step I take it as a loss and start over again.

I have lost a few games now ( not one back to back) and i'm still not down overall, I am now starting to profit again

What I have noticed is you need to use judgement for when to use the prog, as I understand Winner is using a SD calculation for when to start his progression . This I think is crucial !
Good Luck to all

[Winner]

I get +/- 0u for that string, break-even?

Can you please give me your results

[Mako]

@ Jono and Mako

FYI I have not modified anything ,I am just using the 9 against 9 as Winner has already posted earlier in the thread,which he said was the best combination as its very hard for random to replicate the line above

Example
1,1,2,1,1,1,1,2,2,
2,1,1,2,2,1,1,1,2  bet for this line not to repeat the above

I have only used the money management as Winner set out  1u,1u,1u,1u,1u,2u,4u,8u,16u    9 steps total, if I lose on the 9 step I take it as a loss and start over again.

I have lost a few games now ( not one back to back) and i'm still not down overall, I am now starting to profit again

What I have noticed is you need to use judgement for when to use the prog, as I understand Winner is using a SD calculation for when to start his progression . This I think is crucial !
Good Luck to all

Yes, agree, he mentioned that +1 or -1 STD after 36 spins is a focal point for him, but it's not clear if then influences a switch.   For example, he goes through 36 spins and sees that Runs are at -1 STD.  So he begins betting on them, but goes 2,2,2,2 to start.  Does that means that despite the -STD actually getting further from expected he switches to Chops and begins a martingale?

That's where there's some confusion I think.

You're doing good work Bob, I did a few lines of your bet-opposite variant and it did well, I'm just staying on Winner's core method for now to see if we can lock it in. 

Can you please give me your results

Betting on Runs to start: 1W, 2L, 2L, 1W, 1W, 2L, 1W, 2L   +/- 0u

[Winner]

Mako here are your results
Wwl:wl +4 flat +6 Marty

[jono1167]

Ok here will have some fun and please be truthful cause my system can tell if your lying 🤥
I’m going to give 8 results I want you to follow the the result untill you win one unit I don’t care if yo do a 8 step Marty this is just for fun  stop on your first match of my sequence
   12211212  start with this how fast can you win

Sure Winner
I’ll use my failed mini-lab system. Betting RUNS.
1st bet 1 - 1   CHOP (L) -2
2nd bet 1 - 1  -  2  RUN  (W) +1
3rd bet 1  RUN  (W) +2
Using the mini- lab the string ends with +2. This was a favourable string, the mini lab doesn’t do well against a bad string.

[Mister Eko]

I am trying to figure out how Winner can bet. We see Jono s last numbers.

1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1

Winners answer was this about her W/L

5,wlwllwwlllwwl:lwl+9

So:

1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1
w l  w   l   l   w w  l   l   l   w  w l  w w w  l  w

Based on this Winner your betting numbers was these in this session ?

1 2  1  1  1  2  1  2  2  2  1  1  2  1  1  1  1

[Mako]

Mako here are your results
Wwl:wl +4 flat +6 Marty

Awesome, thank you!

So you started on Run, lets just say you chose that at random.  But you switched right away after winning on Run that first spin, betting on Chop for the next pair, which hit.  You then switched again, going back to Run, which lost on the third pair (wwl).

After that loss you stayed on Run for the fourth spin, a win, and stayed on it again for the fifth spin, also a win (wwlww).

But then you switched back to Chop after the 2-Runs-in-a-row-won, which won on the sixth spin (wwl:).  You switched right away this time after the win, as you did after the first spin win, for spin seven, going back to Run, which won also.

Finally, you lost spin eight, a Chop, because you were still on Run, to end the series. +4u.