Beating the even money

[atlantis]

Today it struck me that maybe we could use the Arithmetical Progressions from the VDW math-based theorem on 9 'pair results' somehow. This is a 'binary' game of 1's and 2's so it would apply to this EC system.
Might be necessary to no-bet or completely rule out the ones that would indicate "mutual bets" in the 7-8-9 range.
I wonder if this could be used to advantage by getting a small edge even just flatbetting? Thoughts anyone?
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[RayManZ]

1   
2   W
2   W
2   W
2   W
1   L
2   W
1   L
2   W
2   L
2   W
1   L
1   L
1   W
1   W
1   W
2   L
1   L

+3 flat bet.

[Mako]

Nice Ray, where are your test numbers coming from RNG, or actual wheel spins?  Keep it up, you're hitting beyond expectation so far. 

[atlantis]

EXAMPLE

VDW theory applied to winner's 'pair results'

Flatbet playing AP's up to 6 results only (no mutual bets)
On a win/loss use last 2 outcomes towards tracking next AP. (Winkels idea - captures streaks)
Possibility to use progression after an L??

I use RayManZ last 2 session results:


1   
2
1
2
1 W 1-3-5
1
1 W 2-3-4
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
2 L 1-2-3
1
2
end of spins

+9




1   
2   
2 
2   W 2-3-4
2   W 1-2-3
1   
2   
1   
2   W 1-3-5
2   
2   W 2-3-4
1   L 1-2-3
1   
1   W 3-4-5
1   W 1-2-3
1   W 1-2-3
2   L 1-2-3
1   
end of spins

+5

Any comments/help from Nicksmi most appreciated!

A.

[miniroll171]

EXAMPLE

VDW theory applied to winner's 'pair results'

Flatbet playing AP's up to 6 results only (no mutual bets)
On a win/loss use last 2 outcomes towards tracking next AP. (Winkels idea - captures streaks)
Possibility to use progression after an L??

I use RayManZ last 2 session results:


1   
2
1
2
1 W 1-3-5
1
1 W 2-3-4
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
2 L 1-2-3
1
2
end of spins

+9




1   
2   
2 
2   W 2-3-4
2   W 1-2-3
1   
2   
1   
2   W 1-3-5
2   
2   W 2-3-4
1   L 1-2-3
1   
1   W 3-4-5
1   W 1-2-3
1   W 1-2-3
2   L 1-2-3
1   
end of spins

+5

Any comments/help from Nicksmi most appreciated!

A.

Could you explain this in a bit more detail please I don’t really see what you are doing?

[atlantis]

Hi miniroll171,

The principle is covered quite well in this topic here:

link:s://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/use-math-to-beat-roulettebaccarat/msg45746/#msg45746

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[miniroll171]

Hi miniroll171,

The principle is covered quite well in this topic here:

link:s://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/use-math-to-beat-roulettebaccarat/msg45746/#msg45746

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Thanks, yeah I remember reading about this a while ago now lol.
Definitely worth trying with this system. I will do some testing over the weekend.

[Mister Eko]

Hi miniroll171,

The principle is covered quite well in this topic here:

link:s://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/use-math-to-beat-roulettebaccarat/msg45746/#msg45746

A.

Atlantis, do youthink it works in long therm? I read the topic of the progression, if I could understood, would be good.. 

[atlantis]

Atlantis, do youthink it works in long therm? I read the topic of the progression, if I could understood, would be good.. 

I don't know. Maybe it better than random betting with patterns - because it math based and something that HAS to happen within 9 spins... I don't like dangerous martingale type progressions such as winner uses.
Nickmsi did a lot of testing with vdw theory and would like to hear his point of view.

[Nickmsi]

Hello Atlantis,

I have attached a sheet that plays the VDW in the manner you suggested except I added an Offset to give us twice as many bets.

If you look at sheet 2 you will see some results of testing.  It won 8/10 sessions, each session being 10,000 spins.  It made a meager 416 profit flat betting. This was tested with 100,000 No Zero spins from BetVoyager.

Cheers

Nick

[Let Me Win]

Thanks Nick your excel sheets are always well made.

Could you explain please what you mean by added an offset to create more bets?

[Nickmsi]

Offset simply means you can play 2 streams of Runs and Chops.

If the first 3 spins are

1-Red
2-Black
3-Black

The first Chop to be formed is Spin 1and Spin 2:  RB

If you offset the start with Spin 2 being the start then Spin 2 and Spin 3 form a Run: BB

Now you are playing 2 streams instead of 1

Cheers
Nick

[MoneyT101]

I don't know. Maybe it better than random betting with patterns - because it math based and something that HAS to happen within 9 spins...

100% better then random

If you offset the start with Spin 2 being the start then Spin 2 and Spin 3 form a Run: BB

Now you are playing 2 streams instead of 1

Cheers
Nick

Very good tip Nick, hope everyone is paying attention.

I gave more info on in my last topic about this.

You can take and combine spins in a set format and the results will be the same.  Doesn’t have to come consecutively.  Maybe this will help you find what your searching for idk...

Good luck everyone!

[Mako]

MoneyT you should look into this thread, the method is right up your alley.  And thanks Nick, always like to see you in a thread, wish you would participate more! 

[atlantis]

Hello Atlantis,

I have attached a sheet that plays the VDW in the manner you suggested except I added an Offset to give us twice as many bets.

If you look at sheet 2 you will see some results of testing.  It won 8/10 sessions, each session being 10,000 spins.  It made a meager 416 profit flat betting. This was tested with 100,000 No Zero spins from BetVoyager.

Cheers

Nick

Thanks Nick for your chart.

I see what you mean about the "offset" stream... It's like a "bet within a bet" and gives more wagering signals. If using a progression then a lengthy losing run needs to be avoided - possibly a stop after 2 L's or something like that.
Maybe something can be noticed or gained by analysing the results of both of the streams independently to make a more effective play method overall...?

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