Beating the even money

[Mister Eko]

1,1,W 1
2,2,l -2 2/4
2,1,w 0 1/2
1,1,l -3 2/4
1,1,w -1
1,1,w 1 1/2
1,2,w 2
1,2,w 3
0,1,w 4
1,2,w 5
1,2,w 6
2,1,w 7
2,2,l 4 2/4
2,1,w 6 1/2
2,2,w 7
2,2,w 8
2,2,w 9
1,2,w 10
1,1,l 7 2/4
2,0,l 1 3/6
1,2,w 4
1,2,w 7 2/4
1,1,W 9 1/2
1,1,w 10
2,1,w 11
2,2,l 8 2/4
2,1,w 10 1/2
2,2,w 11
1,2,w 12
1,2,w 13
1,1,l 10 2/4
1,1,W 12 1/2
2,2,l 9 2/4
1,1,l 3 3/6
2,1,w 6
1,1,w 9 2/4
2,2,l 3 3/6
2,1,w 6
1,1,l  -3 4/8
2,1,w 1
1,1,w 5 3/6
2,2,l -4 4/8
2,1,w 0
2,2,w 4 3/6
1,2,w 7
1,2,w 10 2/4
2,1,W 12 1/2
2,2,w 13
2,2,w 14
1,1,L 11 2/4
1,1,w 13 1/2
1,1,w 14
2,1,w 15
1,2,w 16
2,1,w 17
1,2,w 18
1,2,w 19
1,2,w 20
2,1,w 21
1,1,w 22
2,1,w 23
1,1,w 24
0,1,w 25
2,2,l  22 2/4
1,1,l 18 3/6
1,2,w 21 2/4
1,1,w 23
2,2,l 4 17 3/6
2,1,W 5 20
1,2,w 6 23 2/4
1,1,l 3 17 3/6
2,1,w 20

Profit: +20u

[Winner]

1,1,W 1
2,2,l -2 2/4
2,1,w 0 1/2
1,1,l -3 2/4
1,1,w -1
1,1,w 1 1/2
1,2,w 2
1,2,w 3
0,1,w 4
1,2,w 5
1,2,w 6
2,1,w 7
2,2,l 4 2/4
2,1,w 6 1/2
2,2,w 7
2,2,w 8
2,2,w 9
1,2,w 10
1,1,l 7 2/4
2,0,l 1 3/6
1,2,w 4
1,2,w 7 2/4
1,1,W 9 1/2
1,1,w 10
2,1,w 11
2,2,l 8 2/4
2,1,w 10 1/2
2,2,w 11
1,2,w 12
1,2,w 13
1,1,l 10 2/4
1,1,W 12 1/2
2,2,l 9 2/4
1,1,l 3 3/6
2,1,w 6
1,1,w 9 2/4
2,2,l 3 3/6
2,1,w 6
1,1,l  -3 4/8
2,1,w 1
1,1,w 5 3/6
2,2,l -4 4/8
2,1,w 0
2,2,w 4 3/6
1,2,w 7
1,2,w 10 2/4
2,1,W 12 1/2
2,2,w 13
2,2,w 14
1,1,L 11 2/4
1,1,w 13 1/2
1,1,w 14
2,1,w 15
1,2,w 16
2,1,w 17
1,2,w 18
1,2,w 19
1,2,w 20
2,1,w 21
1,1,w 22
2,1,w 23
1,1,w 24
0,1,w 25
2,2,l  22 2/4
1,1,l 18 3/6
1,2,w 21 2/4
1,1,w 23
2,2,l 4 17 3/6
2,1,W 5 20
1,2,w 6 23 2/4
1,1,l 3 17 3/6
2,1,w 20

Profit: +20u

👍🏼

[Winner]

1 2 2   1 2 2   1 2 2
1 1 1   1 1 2   1 1 1   = +1
1 1 2   1 2 2   1 1 2  = -3
2 2 2   2 2 1   2 2 2  = +3
1 1 1   1 2 2   1 1 2  = +4
2 2 1   2 1 1   1 2 1  = +5
1 2 1   1 1 1   1 2 1  = -5
1 1 2   2 2 2   2 2 2  = +5
2 1 1   1 2 1   1 2 2 = +1
2 2 2   2 1 2   1 1 1 = +4       
1 2 2   1 2 2   2 2 1 = +1
total: + 16     flat bet
--------------------------------
2 1 1   2 1 1   2 1 1
1 1 2   2 2 1   2 2 1   = -1   
2 2 1   1 2 2   1 2 1   = +3   
1 1 1   2 2 2   1 1 2   = +1   
2 1 2   1 1 2   1 2 1   = +3   
1 1 2   2 2 2   2 2 2   = +1   
2 2 2   2 2 1   1 1 2   = +1   
1 1 1   1 1 1   2 1 2   = +3   
1 2 2   2 2 2   1 2 2   = +5   
1 1 2   1 1 1   2 1 1   = +3   
1 1 2   2 2 1   2 1 1   = -5   
total: + 14 flat bet

👍🏼

[boyd30]

This is a short RX test. RX is very random, will it go better with real spins?

[boyd30]

1,1,W 1
2,2,l -2 2/4
2,1,w 0 1/2
1,1,l -3 2/4
1,1,w -1
1,1,w 1 1/2
1,2,w 2
1,2,w 3
0,1,w 4
1,2,w 5
1,2,w 6
2,1,w 7
2,2,l 4 2/4
2,1,w 6 1/2
2,2,w 7
2,2,w 8
2,2,w 9
1,2,w 10
1,1,l 7 2/4
2,0,l 1 3/6
1,2,w 4
1,2,w 7 2/4
1,1,W 9 1/2
1,1,w 10
2,1,w 11
2,2,l 8 2/4
2,1,w 10 1/2
2,2,w 11
1,2,w 12
1,2,w 13
1,1,l 10 2/4
1,1,W 12 1/2
2,2,l 9 2/4
1,1,l 3 3/6
2,1,w 6
1,1,w 9 2/4
2,2,l 3 3/6
2,1,w 6
1,1,l  -3 4/8
2,1,w 1
1,1,w 5 3/6
2,2,l -4 4/8
2,1,w 0
2,2,w 4 3/6
1,2,w 7
1,2,w 10 2/4
2,1,W 12 1/2
2,2,w 13
2,2,w 14
1,1,L 11 2/4
1,1,w 13 1/2
1,1,w 14
2,1,w 15
1,2,w 16
2,1,w 17
1,2,w 18
1,2,w 19
1,2,w 20
2,1,w 21
1,1,w 22
2,1,w 23
1,1,w 24
0,1,w 25
2,2,l  22 2/4
1,1,l 18 3/6
1,2,w 21 2/4
1,1,w 23
2,2,l 4 17 3/6
2,1,W 5 20
1,2,w 6 23 2/4
1,1,l 3 17 3/6
2,1,w 20

Profit: +20u

I don't understand this betting method? What means 1/2, 2/4...?

[atlantis]

Hi IVO,

I test some Opposite 9's sessions too:

212122221
222121121  -3
121222212  +5
222122112  -1
112112212  -1
211221211  +3
112222222  +1
221121212  +3
111112222  +1
121112221  -5
112121122  +3
==========
total = +6

121111112
221122211   +1
111111222    +3
221222111   +7
222112212   +1
212211121   +3
221111111    -1
111121111    -3
222221112   +1
112112122   +3
212112221   -3
========
total = +12

112111121
221222121     +3
221211221     -3
211111112      +1
121122122     +1
221212211     +3
221121122     +3
122212112     +3
111112212     +1
212122122    +1
111221121     +1
========
total = +14

222221221
111122111      +5
221122221      -1
211221122      +1
112211222      -1
222122111     +7
211121121      -1
111211121      -3
221211212     +1
111121111      +3
121222212     +1
=========
total = +12


112211221
212111211       -3
121221211       +1
112222122       +3
211122121        -1
111122121        -7
221211221       +3
222122222       +1
211122122        -4
122122121        -1
212121222        +1
========
total = -7


111122112       
112112111         -3
111222221         +1
221111122         +5
211222111         +3
211211222         +1
212122111         +5
121211112         +5
212222211         +5
111112212         +2
221222111         +3
========
total = +31


+67 flatbet   

A.

[Winner]

Hi IVO,

I test some Opposite 9's sessions too:

212122221
222121121  -3
121222212  +5
222122112  -1
112112212  -1
211221211  +3
112222222  +1
221121212  +3
111112222  +1
121112221  -5
112121122  +3
==========
total = +6

121111112
221122211   +1
111111222    +3
221222111   +7
222112212   +1
212211121   +3
221111111    -1
111121111    -3
222221112   +1
112112122   +3
212112221   -3
========
total = +12

112111121
221222121     +3
221211221     -3
211111112      +1
121122122     +1
221212211     +3
221121122     +3
122212112     +3
111112212     +1
212122122    +1
111221121     +1
========
total = +14

222221221
111122111      +5
221122221      -1
211221122      +1
112211222      -1
222122111     +7
211121121      -1
111211121      -3
221211212     +1
111121111      +3
121222212     +1
=========
total = +12


112211221
212111211       -3
121221211       +1
112222122       +3
211122121        -1
111122121        -7
221211221       +3
222122222       +1
211122122        -4
122122121        -1
212121222        +1
========
total = -7


111122112       
112112111         -3
111222221         +1
221111122         +5
211222111         +3
211211222         +1
212122111         +5
121211112         +5
212222211         +5
111112212         +2
221222111         +3
========
total = +31


+67 flatbet   

A.

Nice results
A

[IVO]

Hi Atlantis
great job  , many thanks to Winner 

[Mister Eko]

I don't understand this betting method? What means 1/2, 2/4...?

First bet unit size/second bet unit size

[Mister Eko]

Hi IVO,

I test some Opposite 9's sessions too:

212122221
222121121  -3
121222212  +5
222122112  -1
112112212  -1
211221211  +3
112222222  +1
221121212  +3
111112222  +1
121112221  -5
112121122  +3
==========
total = +6

121111112
221122211   +1
111111222    +3
221222111   +7
222112212   +1
212211121   +3
221111111    -1
111121111    -3
222221112   +1
112112122   +3
212112221   -3
========
total = +12

112111121
221222121     +3
221211221     -3
211111112      +1
121122122     +1
221212211     +3
221121122     +3
122212112     +3
111112212     +1
212122122    +1
111221121     +1
========
total = +14

222221221
111122111      +5
221122221      -1
211221122      +1
112211222      -1
222122111     +7
211121121      -1
111211121      -3
221211212     +1
111121111      +3
121222212     +1
=========
total = +12


112211221
212111211       -3
121221211       +1
112222122       +3
211122121        -1
111122121        -7
221211221       +3
222122222       +1
211122122        -4
122122121        -1
212121222        +1
========
total = -7


111122112       
112112111         -3
111222221         +1
221111122         +5
211222111         +3
211211222         +1
212122111         +5
121211112         +5
212222211         +5
111112212         +2
221222111         +3
========
total = +31


+67 flatbet   

A.

I think the last session was +27, but nice results too, maybe this is the best way to play this? 🤔

[Mako]

Winner/Atlantis/Eko/IVO/Sweet, very nice, excellent work in this thread   

You basically have improved on the myriad of methods similar to Pattern Breaker that we've seen over the years (nearly all of which always came in a -2.6% EV under my testing on 0 wheels, they hit exactly where it should no matter what I did with them) and gotten it to the point where it would be extremely difficult for the wheel to beat you.

I could see this going for a large span of time/spins before the raindrops finally hit you, and by then as Winner described, you're so far ahead in terms of total BR that you could endure countless loss sessions even on a -5.3% 00 wheel while still being in profit.

Impressive, good job guys, and thanks to Winner for validating it through robust testing and then sharing the results with us. 

[boyd30]

Looks like there is a difference between RX spins and real spins. I don't have the chart but a short test showed +11. Will test it more.

[boyd30]

I'm not sure how to handle the zero. Taken it as a miss and add two new numbers as 1 or 2?

[Mister Eko]

1,1,2, 2,2,1, 1,1,1,
1,1,1, 1,2,1, 2,0,1,1, -3
2,1,2, 2,1,2, 2,2,1, +3
2,2,2, 2,2,2, 1,2,1, -3
1,2,0,1, 2,1,2, 1,1,1, -1
1,2,1, 2,2,2, 1,2,2, -3
1,2,1, 2,1,1, 1,1,2, -3
2,1,1, 2,1,1, 1,2,2, -3
2,1,1, 1,2,1, 1,1,2, -3
2,2,1, 2,2,1, 2,1,2, -3
2,1,2, 2,2,2, 1,1,1, +1 (-18)

1,1,1, 2,1,1, 2,2,1,
1,2,1, 2,1,2, 2,1,1, -3
1,2,1, 1,1,0,1, 2,2,1, -3
1,1,2, 1,1,2, 2,2,1, -3
1,2,1, 1,2,1, 1,1,1, +3
1,2,2, 1,1,2, 1,2,1, -1
1,1,2, 1,2,1, 1,2,1, -3
2,1,1, 1,1,1, 1,1,1, -1
1,2,2, 1,2,1, 2,2,2, +5
2,1,1, 1,1,1, 1,2,2, +1
1,1,2, 1,1,1, 2,2,1, -1 (-6)

1,2,1, 1,2,1, 1,2,1,
0,1,2,2, 1,1,1, 0,1,1,2, -1
1,2,2, 1,1,1, 0,1,2,2, -7
2,0,0,1,2, 2,2,2, 2,2,1, +5
2,2,1, 1,1,2, 2,1,1, +1
2,1,2, 1,2,1, 2,2,1, +1
1,1,2, 2,2,2, 1,1,1, +1
2,1,1, 2,2,1, 2,2,1, +1
1,1,2, 2,1,2, 2,1,2, +3
2,2,2, 2,2,1, 1,1,1, +3
2,2,2, 1,1,1, 2,2,2, +1 (+8)

Overall: -16

I not saw 1 line become similar like other line, we expected to see 1 win for 90%. We can ride your lines with progression, to not become a bigger loss, like -5, or -7, because we have 0 too, you know, and NOT JUST 1 AND 2. I

[Mister Eko]

Another spins:

2,2,1, 1,2,1, 1,1,1,
2,2,1, 1,1,2, 2,2,1, -1
1,2,2, 1,2,1, 2,1,2, +3
2,2,2, 1,1,1, 1,1,2, -3
1,2,2, 1,1,2, 2,1,1, -1
2,1,1, 0,1,1,0,1, 1,0,1,1, +1
1,2,2, 0,1,2,2, 1,1,1, +1
1,2,2, 1,2,1, 2,1,2, -3
1,1,2, 1,1,1, 2,1,0,0,1, -3
2,0,1,2, 1,1,2, 1,2,1, -1
1,1,1, 2,2,2, 1,1,2, +3 (-4)

2,2,2, 2,2,1, 1,1,1,
2,1,1, 2,2,2, 2,1,1, -1
2,1,2, 1,2,2, 1,1,1, -3
2,1,1, 1,2,1, 2,2,2, +1
2,2,2, 2,1,2, 2,2,2, +1
2,1,2, 1,1,2, 1,2,1, -1
2,1,2, 2,0,0,1,2, 1,1,1, -5
1,1,1, 2,1,2, 2,2,2, +1
1,2,1, 1,1,2, 2,1,1, -1
1,2,2, 2,2,2, 2,2,1, -1
0,1,1,2, 1,1,2, 1,1,2, +3 (-6)

1,1,1, 1,2,1, 2,1,2,
1,2,2, 2,2,2, 2,1,2, -1
1,2,1, 1,2,2, 1,2,2, -1
2,1,1, 1,2,2, 2,2,2, -3
1,2,0,1, 2,1,0,1, 1,1,1, +7
2,1,2, 1,2,1, 1,1,2, +3
2,1,1, 1,2,1, 1,2,1, -3
1,2,1, 2,2,1, 1,2,2, -1
1,1,1, 1,1,1, 2,2,1, +1
2,2,2, 1,2,1, 1,2,2, +3
2,2,1, 1,1,1, 0,1,2,2, -5 (+0)

Overall: -10