Beating the even money

[jono1167]

If you post the wins/loss stream in a text, i'll process it and report.   I have Excel 365 on my desktop now and some time on my hands.

Sorry Still, can’t do that. Numbers and W-Ls everywhere. Eg: 1,2,2 - 2 LLL W  2,2,1 - 2,1 LW.
I need to go through and separate  everything.
Busy weekend....

[Winner]

Sorry Still, can’t do that. Numbers and W-Ls everywhere. Eg: 1,2,2 - 2 LLL W  2,2,1 - 2,1 LW.
I need to go through and separate  everything.
Busy weekend....

Congrats I’m sure you will make something work .
Thanks for testing I know that’s a lot of work when testing manually.👍🏼

[Winner]

Worm guard stats
9/1 loss 124=7
8/1
13/1
3/1
9/1
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9/1
3/1
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5/1
13/1
9/1
4/1
4/1
1/1
1/1
11/1
12/1
3/1
53/1
7/1
1/1
2/1
13/1
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13/1
9/1
15/1
14/1
14/1
3/1
1/1
19/1

[jono1167]

Worm guard stats
9/1 loss 124=7
8/1
13/1
3/1
9/1
5/1
3/1
9/1
3/1
10/1
5/1
13/1
9/1
4/1
4/1
1/1
1/1
11/1
12/1
3/1
53/1
7/1
1/1
2/1
13/1
7/1
3/1
13/1
9/1
15/1
14/1
14/1
3/1
1/1
19/1

Great work Winner! I’ll take those stats every day of the week. 👍

An update on Mr Eko’s numbers. I made it through everything last week. I now have a whole lot of Ws and Ls (1,1,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,2 - LW etc). I’m now doing all the calculations.

I was originally going to use three different betting streams, but I couldn’t get it to work, so back to the start. It’s a balance between identifying betting opportunities whilst making profit. I think I finally have the balance right, two betting streams on the go.

Just so many numbers to get through. I don’t want to get careless and make a mistake.

I should be through everything next week.

Look forward to updating then....

[Winner]

Jono 👍🏼

[Taotie]

EC progression for beating the even money:.... Ignatus, you should code this for RX. 

Return to the start on any new bankroll high.

Return to current level on any win without new bankroll high.

For example,  betting FTL (you can bet whichever EC you want) each level with a three step martingale (provided the virtual bet loses. If the virtual bet wins, that ends the martingale and you move to next level.

On each new level when you lose the first 2 bets the next bet is virtual. If it wins you move to the next level. If it loses you continue with the third step of the martingale of the same level.

1
2
virtual bet (vb)
vb lose 4
vb win - next level
2
4
virtual bet
vb lose 8
vb win - next level
3
6
virtual bet
vb lose 12
vb win - next level
4
8
virtual bet
vb lose 16
vb win - next level
5
10
virtual bet
vb lose 20
vb win - next level
6
12
virtual bet
vb lose 24
win - next level
8
16
virtual bet
vb lose 32
vb win - next level
10
20
virtual bet
vb lose 40
vb win - next level
15
30
virtual bet
vb lose 60
vb win - next level
20
40
virtual bet
vb lose 80
vb win - next level
25
50
vb lose 100
vb win - next level
30
60
Reach this point run away.

[Taotie]

The EC 1-100 spread for this progression is realistic enough for many real world playing conditions.

[nottophammer]

What you doing in here DTown?

[jono1167]

Jono 👍🏼

Still working on this Winner.....

Unfortunately I have restarted. I made it through to the end a couple of weeks ago, but as I was doing the calculations I identified another couple of betting opportunities. On top of this, one of the earlier opportunities wasn’t working out. It was becoming too confusing , so I opted to restart using the modified method.

I had no idea it would take this long but  I want to finish.  Hopefully I will have something worthwhile to show at the end.

Cheers

[poluvolo]

we are very grateful to you jono1167
go ahead
cheers

[blueman]

1
2
virtual bet (vb)
vb lose 4

NOW PLAY FOR REAL 4 U?? Corect?

vb win - next level
2
4
virtual bet
vb lose 8
vb win - next level
3
6
virtual bet
vb lose 12
vb win - next level

[Winner]

Word of advice to all roulette players stop jumping from system to system.
Instead try and confuse random with your chosen sytem.
The 🔑 is in the (pattern results) of your you chosen system.

[Winner]

Here this for all those that gave up on This.
121 -1 starting with patterns.
122 +1 hit on 2
222  +3 hit on 3
111-3hit on 1
112-1hit on 3
221+1 hit on 1
For an easy +4 patterns are alive on where it hits on nothing more nothing less . No I’m not going to post all my hard work ,but there is advantage playing in groups .

[Gerard711]

You certainly have faith in your system Winner.

25 unit bets and a double zero wheel. It's like you're giving it every chance to fail.... only it's not.  Respect.

What about using this at Baccarat anyone try that no zeros ,push on a tie

[jono1167]

Disclaimer: Maths/physics guys please tune out now, the following will not interest you.

I have been following Winner’s ‘even money’ thread since the beginning of the year. In case you missed it, Winner came up with a method to apply to even money bets. It involves grouping the results into 1s and 2s. If you don’t know how the method works, read the first post on this thread. It explains everything better than I could.

A couple of months ago Mister Eko published a set of numbers (29,209 groups of 1s and 2s made up of 58,418 individual results). He issued a challenge for anyone who thought they could successfully get through the numbers. I was keen to test a few methods I had been working on, so I decided to give it a go. I got through the entire set of numbers in approximately six weeks, but having got through everything, I became aware I had missed some betting opportunities along the way. With this in mind, I decided to start again. That was about seven weeks ago. Second time lucky and finally, all done….!

In summary, I completed Mister Eko’s numbers with a profit of 1,102 units. Now for the bad news…. Despite the success of the system during the testing phase, in practice, the method is turning out to be mind-numbingly boring. A truckload of patience and discipline is required. I started testing on R-Sim two weeks ago, and despite positive results, I have decided to throw the towel in. I would have more fun watching paint dry. Painful….

If you’re still interested and you don’t mind a system where massive amounts of patience is required, then read on.

MONEY MANAGEMENT
Firstly, money management. I used the labouchere with a base of 1 unit.
Example:
Loss      Loss         Loss         Loss           Loss             Loss            Win               Win            Win         Win         Win
  1           11           112          1123        11234         112345       1123456         12345          234           3              1
Bet 1    Bet 2       Bet 3        Bet 4         Bet 5            Bet 6            Bet 7             Bet 6          Bet 6       Bet 3       Bet 1 
-1           -3             -6             -10            -15               -21                -14                 -8                -2            +1            +2

I hate using progressions, the bigger the progression, the bigger the loss (when it comes). Therefore I decided to cap the progression at the seventh step. After the seventh loss in a row, freeze the progression: 1123456. Continue until you have a win, and then start decreasing as per usual. Fortunately after 29,209 results, I never had any more than nine losses in a row across any of the betting methods. Recovering from nine losses is fairly straight forward.

To achieve the profit of 1,102 units I used four different betting methods. These were divided into three different betting streams. I will explain everything below.

BETTING METHODS 1 & 2 (BETTING STREAM A): (744 units profit)
Betting for twins and against triplets.

This was the most common opportunity I encountered. The first thing you look for is a twin forming. Example: 221 - 22_ ? Here you are going to be betting for the twin forming. You will be betting for a 1. Unfortunately a 2 comes up. The string now looks like this: 221 â€" 222 (L) -1. This string ends here because the twin has failed to form. We look for a new opportunity.

Another twin starts to form: 111 â€" 11_. We will be betting for a 1.
Success, we get the 1: 111 â€" 111 (W). We can now start betting against the triplet forming. We are looking for a 2. Unfortunately another 1 appears. The string now looks like this: 111 â€" 111 - 1 (W L). We continue looking for a 2. This time the 2 appears. The string now looks like this: 111 â€" 111 - 12 (W  LW). It’s a win, the triplet has failed to form. The string finishes here at +1.

When betting against the triplet forming, the worst result I encountered was nine straight losses. Over the course of testing, nine straight losses occurred on three occassions. Here is an example:

212  212  212  212   212  1  (W LLL LLL LLL W).


BETTING METHOD 3 (Betting stream B): (261 units profit)
Betting against quads.

Betting against quads was the second most common betting opportunity I encountered.

Step 1: Look for the quad to start forming. Description: The quad forms, you wait for four more results, then start betting against the first quad. Example: 2222 â€" 2112 - ? You will be betting for a 1. We get a 2 (a loss), the string now looks like this: 2222 â€" 2112 â€" 2 (L). We are still looking for a 1 to appear. This time we get a hit. The string now looks like this: 2222 â€" 2112 â€" 21 (LW).

The worst result I had betting against the quad forming was nine straight losses. This occurred on two occasions.

Please see example of nine losses for the quad.  2222 - 2112 â€" 2222 â€" 2112 â€" 21 (LLLL LLLL LW)


BETTING METHOD 4. Betting against a three-of-a-kind triplets. (97 units profit)

Betting against three-of-a-kind triplets was the third most common betting opportunity I encountered.

Step 1: Look for the three-of-a-kind triplet to start forming. Example: 222 â€" 111 - ? Now start betting against the third three-of-a-kind. Your first bet will be a 1. Unfortunately a 2 appears.  Example: 222 â€" 111 â€" 2 (L). You need to bet the 1 again. Another 2 appears: 222 â€" 111 â€" 22 (LL). Third time lucky, the 1 finally appears. The string looks like this: 222 â€" 111 â€" 221 (LLW).

The worst run I had betting against the three-of-a-kind triplet was seven losses in a row. Here is an example: 222 â€" 111 â€" 222 â€" 111 - 21 (LLL LLL LW).


Testing on Roulette Simulator

I started testing this method on Roulette Simulator (rated game), just over two weeks ago. So far it’s been staying in profit.


Summary

After all the time I have spent testing, I have decided to quit. I don’t have the patience. Too many long intervals are spent waiting for conditions to be favorable. Another thing, juggling three different betting streams is complicated. It’s another example of how the system lacks practicality. For that reason I can’t see it being a good option at the local B&M.

On a positive note, over 29,209 results, I never experienced more than 9 losses in a row, but that doesn’t mean 15 or 20 straight losses aren’t just around the corner. Also, there is a scenario where you get hit with seven straight losses, followed by one or two wins, and then another nine losses. This would inflict damage. The money management addresses losing streaks, but a great deal of patience would be required to claw back profit after 15 - 20 straight losses. I don’t have the patience.

So having done all of this work, I’m ready to move on. I will start exploring other methods.

To anyone who decides to use the methods I have described, please test thoroughly, and then test again. This is not a HG. If you're lucky, you will win in the short term. Good luck. I’ll keep putting the occasional game through RS just for the hell of it.

A note on betting method 1. During the testing phase with Mister Eko’s numbers, betting method 1 (betting for the twin to appear) was successful two thirds of the time (I went back and counted all the stats). However, when I started testing on R-Sim, betting method 1 failed two thirds of the time. When I saw this trend developing, I stopped using method 1 and instead went straight to betting method 2 (betting against the triplet). Over time, betting for and against will even out. Proceed with caution.

Jono