Sparks' Vaddis Grail

[Gitano]

It's from Sparks and Proofs methods on the Vaddi thread.

Wait for 2 pairs, (I'm doing layout pairs here) then bet the (higher) pair of each next number that falls - for up to 6 times.
Progression, 111122
Stop, retrack.
Any more questions, just ask

30
11
14
8
34
20
18
10      <trigger because 10 and 11 are paired. Now bet each spin the pairs
2        <bet 10,11, plus 2 and it's pair, 3
28      <bet 10,11,2,3, plus 28 and it's pair 29
16      <bet 10,11,2,3,28,29 plus 16 and it's pair 17
28      win, retrack.

Hi,
on average how many spins do you consider x session?
Do you use an excel file or similar to test or it's done on paper ?
I have some spins from airball spintec roulette, or for example here:

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18503.0

Bye
Gitano

[RouletteGhost]

Sorry to intrude, wanting to get hold of roulette ghost

Yes, this is my real hair.

[Gitano]

I'm trying to figure out an excel file that inserting spins sessions automatically show how many wins and loose sub-sessions are present.
I guess there are more wins than loosing with this strategy, Money mngmt is the big question.
How for example one could recover from a loss subsession?
111122 it's the best progression?

[buffalowizard]

I'm trying to figure out an excel file that inserting spins sessions automatically show how many wins and loose sub-sessions are present.
I guess there are more wins than loosing with this strategy, Money mngmt is the big question.
How for example one could recover from a loss subsession?
111122 it's the best progression?

I dont know what you mean by sub session. Do you mean about every 100 or so spins ? The way ive been testing is 111122 progression. And thats it, win or lose. Just continue on. Do not raise any further or you're on thin ice due to the chances of a double or even triple loss in a row

[boyd30]

Good tests, but it may be a luck?  It's a tough work testing by hand, but thanks.  There are for sure drawdowns. Question is how deep they go and how long to revolver?

[Gitano]

   Hi,
for sub-sessions I mean these 3 for example:


  19 
      18               BET 18,19
4                      18,19,4,5
      30               18,19,4,5,30,31
11                     18,19,4,5,30,31,11,12
      32               18,19,4,5,30,31,11,12,32,33
13                     18,19,4,5,30,31,11,12,32,33,13,14
      21                LOSS +38
33       
24       
29       
-- -- -- 
4       
      36 
11       
    0                   BET 36,0
20                     36,0,20,21
       3                36,0,20,21,3,4
8                      36,0,20,21,3,4,8,9
      34               36,0,20,21,3,4,8,9,34,35
31                     36,0,20,21,3,4,8,9,34,35,31,32
15                     LOSS -26
      18 
      25 
       1 
24                     BET 24,25
29                     24,25,29,30
      25               WIN +8

We have 2 loss and a win .
2 or 3 losses happen quite often?  How many consecutive wins I can expect ? This with an excel file should be nice to check ?

[Gitano]

Maybe BigBroben could help me to move on with this.

Do you know the formula on excel to compare cells values and return the two pair numbers?

A
1 |  19
2 |  18  (RETURN 18,19 HERE) =IFS(OR(A2-A1=1,A1-A2=-1),A2)," ")
3 |  4     "18,19,4,5"

[Bigbroben]

Maybe BigBroben could help me to move on with this.

Do you know the formula on excel to compare cells values and return the two pair numbers?

A
1 |  19
2 |  18  (RETURN 18,19 HERE) =IFS(OR(A2-A1=1,A1-A2=-1),A2)," ")
3 |  4     "18,19,4,5"

I personnally create 37 columns for all 37 nrs and give conditions for each individual nr to be valued as 1 or 0.  Another 37 columns is used as a LOOKUP reference for a third 37 column which writes what nrs to bet ( the ones with a ''1'' value below them in the first block).  See the ''Sparks has bite'' file in page 100 of Vaddi HG thread, the hidden columns on the far right.
It allows another W/L column to compare the new nr with the ones in the different bet cells.  You can then add conditions to the first block of 37 columns: reset on a hit, reset at new high, delete nr on a hit, so on.

If you really want the nrs to appear in a single cell, use the "" and & tools:


I think the cells that shows the nrs would be considered as a text cell, so it would be hard to automatize the process.  But you could make all the played nr appear in one single cell for display only.  You really need the nrs to be treated individually to be able to automatize it all ( at least with my level of knowledge.  Some may be able without).

The Spark file needs not too much modifications to be adapted to BWs games.  I could change it a bit when I have time.

[Gitano]

Oh,,NICE, I will check the file on Spark has bite", and your formula here.
I think it could be possible for me to take some hint, mainly my scope is to check how many wins/loose happen in 100/200 spins automatically..to have an idea if some Loose/triggers could be exploit. or check how many loose in a row could happen in airball roulette.Or If it is better to bet after a win or a loose for example.
The tricky part should be to stop/reset on a win in the excel during the entire session..
Thanks Bigbroben!!

[buffalowizard]

Cheers Gitano. Good luck, let us know how you get on

[Sparks]

ok i'm looking at this from a different angle, as to how we can be more accurate. I'm going to need a bit of help with this in terms of setting this up in excel as i have no idea where i would start.

If we were to focus on the aspect of balance, i decided to start looking at sections on the table paired with the 37 spin cycle.

if we track the 1st 12 spins and what sections are landed. for example:
21
19
29
36
7
7
16
12
20
2
7
11

In this set of numbers the 24-36 (3rd) section only hits twice.
What if we were to bet on the numbers that hit in this section with their +pairs?
in this case: 29, 30, 36, 35 (i'm not including 0 in this method)

The next numbers that land are:
6     loss -4
34   loss -4
24   loss -4
35 - WIN: +32.   +20 profit

Example 2:
Start tracking 12 spins
16
36
13
2
24
4
30
17
18
31
1
29 - Section 1 (1-12) landed the least with only 3 hits, start betting on landed numbers and pairs: 2,3,4,5,1
27 loss -5
25 loss -5
3 WIN +31.  +21 profit

I noticed this pattern in my testing of the other method in excel so i thought it's worth digging further.

Hoping this makes sense. Will appreciate any thoughts/help on this.

[Proofreaders2000]

If your looking for patterns, usually in the course
of an hour one can observe three of four recurring. 

At the end of two hours one pattern will stand out
(or at least a bias on the wheel will start to emerge.)

[buffalowizard]

ok i'm looking at this from a different angle, as to how we can be more accurate. I'm going to need a bit of help with this in terms of setting this up in excel as i have no idea where i would start.

If we were to focus on the aspect of balance, i decided to start looking at sections on the table paired with the 37 spin cycle.

if we track the 1st 12 spins and what sections are landed. for example:
21
19
29
36
7
7
16
12
20
2
7
11

In this set of numbers the 24-36 (3rd) section only hits twice.
What if we were to bet on the numbers that hit in this section with their +pairs?
in this case: 29, 30, 36, 35 (i'm not including 0 in this method)

The next numbers that land are:
6     loss -4
34   loss -4
24   loss -4
35 - WIN: +32.   +20 profit

Example 2:
Start tracking 12 spins
16
36
13
2
24
4
30
17
18
31
1
29 - Section 1 (1-12) landed the least with only 3 hits, start betting on landed numbers and pairs: 2,3,4,5,1
27 loss -5
25 loss -5
3 WIN +31.  +21 profit

I noticed this pattern in my testing of the other method in excel so i thought it's worth digging further.

Hoping this makes sense. Will appreciate any thoughts/help on this.

Hi Sparks. I like your thinking with this. It will usually only be 1-3 pairs so should be doable with only flat betting. How many time to flat bet before moving on though? After -36? I don't mind testing this either, i have to do it all by hand though as im excel,RX illiterate

[Bigbroben]

BW,
I think this is it.

Have a look, try it, and tell me if you see any bug, errors, or if you want other stats/ parameters.

Max steps: I entered ''6'' cuz you use 6 steps.  Enter another nr to adjust the prog columns  in A&B.

[Gitano]

Hi Sparks,
I no more play/bet with systems that consider unfrequency of numbers..already lost money on cold numbers/cold sectors..I've learnt. More than this I could say that  I will not play more on fixed sectors..is too risky to wait pairs in a fixed sectors. I could ensure you this, my BR has been already sucked up often..
The idea to bet pairs and each pairs of the next spin as VaddiSpark's strategy do,  I like because offer a dynamics to the bets. I think more dynamics are the bets more probabilities in win we have.