daveylibra's LOTT attempt

[Mako]

Davey created a fun little method to fool around with, he's looking for a progression for it:

Suppose we track until we have 18 hits. This will probably take about 21 ish spins? if there are about 3 repeats.
Anything is mathematically possible, but most would agree that the next 18 spins will not be contained in those 18 hit numbers.
In fact, within 37 spins we will see about 24 numbers hit. This is 6 more no-shows.
So... we should see some of those no-shows appear.
Suppose we assume, in the next 37-21 = 16 spins, a conservative 3 will appear.
So we bet the 18 no shows for up to 16 spins. A nice limit to the session.
The missing part of the riddle is, what kind of progression to use?

I tried it out today using a 1u flat bet, no progression, and it did well.

I followed his rules, waiting for 18 unhit numbers and let the number of betting attempts be determined by how many spins were left in that cycle.

If it took 28 spins to get to 18 unhits remaining, I would bet 9 spins to complete the attempt. If it took 19 spins to get to 18 unhits remaining, I would bet 18 spins to complete the attempt. Win or lose, I would stop and retrack at the 37th spin.

For retracks, I would go back as many numbers as it took to get back to 18 unhit, meaning if on the previous session I had 18 unhits remaining after 22 total spins, and had made 15 betting attempts to end at 37 spins, I would go back from that last 37th spin until I had 18 unhits again. Etc, etc.

I played for six hits within the attempted session, then stop/retrack. So if I had 18 unhits remaining after 22 total spins, and then began betting the unhits for no more than 15 attempts, and I had six hits before the 37th spin, I would end and retrack after that sixth hit.

26 total session or cycle attempts.

1u bets, flat bet only, no progression. Spins from Spielbank Duisburg, Table 13, for that entire day.

[buffalowizard]

Nice work lads! Simple yet devastatingly effective hehe.
Will digest it all and take a look...

[Thanatos]

Quite logic indeed.
If you where to play continually for hours you usually also notice a small handfull of numbers going longterm cold like maybe 3-6 numbers that hasnt shown in 2 hours or more & the majority of these cold numbers wont show in the next hours either. Knowing this you can squeeze the 16 down to perhaps just 10-12 numbers with a even higher hitrate. Of cause it isnt always easy or fun to sit and record numbers for 4-6 hours.

[RouletteGhost]

I am not really playing roulette nowadays....just observing....

This thread made me think of an old idea I used to have, but never tried....

wait until 18 numbers have hit, then bet the remaining 18 flat bet, every hit remove that chip....

[buffalowizard]

Here is  a couple of mini sessions from todays wiesbaden spins. Not too bad. The zero plays a large part in this, I don't know whether to incorporate it into the betting scheme or just forget about it and hope it doesn't come back to haunt us. In these tests I left it out.
I think this deserves more testing or dare I say it, a bot or excel by some of the IT talented members in here.


29       
6       
       21
       12
8       
17       
       1
       27
       19
       19
       12
28       
11       
       14
       21
   0   
       30
10   
9
       18
       14
26       
       9
       25 <18 now remain unhit. flatbet 2,3,4,5,7,13,15,16,20,22,23,24,31,32,33,34,35,36, 13 TIMES
       21  LOSS -18
       27  LOSS -36
       21  LOSS -54
       9    LOSS -72
8             LOSS -90
4              WIN -72
33              WIN -54
2              WIN -36
26             LOSS -54
--   --   --
       14  LOSS -72
       1    LOSS -90
15             WIN -72
4             WIN -54     END THIS MINI SESSION, RETRACK FRESH 18 UNHIT
       1
       23
       30
       12
       16
       9
       36
       34
       14
       30
17       
       30
28       
       3
--   --   --
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28       
   0   
       14
35       
6       
9
       23
       27
13       
       16
28   
       21
31                  <18 remain unhit. flatbet 2,4,5,7,8,10,11,15,18,19,20,22,24,25,26,29,32,33, 9 TIMES
       7         WIN +18
22                  WIN +36
--   --   --
       34      LOSS +18
   0              LOSS 0
11                 WIN +18
10                 WIN +36
       25      WIN +54
       7        WIN +72
10                 WIN +90

[ozon]

Unfortunately, it does not seem to me that such results are maintained in longrun, playing flat rate.
Over time, it will start to move and will be thoroughly eaten by HE.
Nevertheless, this is an interesting concept and you have to see how often it does not happen to hit even one number in the 37 spins cycle.
I am not a fan of negative progression, but it is 18 numbers.
No mild progression will check, you probably need something aggressive.
Some time ago, 6 -sense suggested to another game.
Some solution, but there were fewer numbers.
We can play so that every 3 spins, we see if we are on the plus side,  we end the sessions, if we do not, we will divide the loss and with the right stake we play the next 3 spins, either for profit or until the end of the cycle.
But unfortunately if there is a cycle in which the trigger will quickly come out, and then the end of the cycle will not be hit, the loss will be very serious
Another solution is just some form of Marty
You would have to check at all if there is any dependency to reduce the gaps between hits, and is it worth anything?
Becouse if nothing  change in gaps , nothing  will help.

[The General]

Unfortunately, it does not seem to me that such results are maintained in longrun, playing flat rate.
Over time, it will start to move and will be thoroughly eaten by HE.

Congratulations.  You appear to have escaped the fallacy. 

[nottophammer]

Buff-Mako and you BBB
If you’re waiting for the last 18 non-hit numbers; don’t that mean to get to the LOTT, you are looking for 5 non-hits too land.
So; how will you stake this?
Above you only see 4L’s on 40 attempts.

[Normy2000]

Here is  a couple of mini sessions from todays wiesbaden spins. Not too bad. The zero plays a large part in this, I don't know whether to incorporate it into the betting scheme or just forget about it and hope it doesn't come back to haunt us. In these tests I left it out.
I think this deserves more testing or dare I say it, a bot or excel by some of the IT talented members in here.

Here is an Rx version that play like you discribed. 

[reveal]
System "Normy bet 0s after 18 no show"
// coded by: nOrMy2o0o

Method "main"
Begin
    While Starting a New Session
    Begin
        Call "Initialize"
        Call "Reset"
    End

    While on Each Spin
    Begin
        Track Last Number for 37 times to record "tracked numbers" layout

        if  record "0 appears" layout count > 18
        begin
            Call "Flag numbers that appeared"
            call "Copy 012 appears"
            put 37 on record "B" data
            put 100% of record "tracked numbers" layout index to record "A" data
            subtract 100% of record "A" data from record "B" data
           
        end
       
        if  record "0 appears" layout count = 18
        begin
            Put 1 on record "0 appears" layout list
            subtract 1 from record "B" data
            if record "B" data <= 0
            begin
                call "Reset"
            end
        end
    End
End

// ************************************************************************
Method "Flag numbers that appeared"
Begin
    clear record "table" data;
    put 1 on record "table" layout index;
    put 1 on record "table" data index;
    loop until record "table" layout index > record "table" layout count
    begin
        put 1 on record "tracked numbers" layout index;
        loop until record "tracked numbers" layout index > record "tracked numbers" layout count
        begin
            if record "table" layout = record "tracked numbers" layout
            begin
                add 1 to record "table" data;
            end
            add 1 to record "tracked numbers" layout index;
        end
        add 1 to record "table" data index;
        add 1 to record "table" layout index;
    end
End

// ************************************************************************
method "Copy 012 appears"
begin
    Clear record "0 appears" layout
    Put 1 on record "table" layout index
    loop until record "table" layout index > record "table" layout count
    begin
        put 100% of record "table" layout index to record "table" data index
        If  record "table" data = 0
        begin
            Set Max to record "0 appears" layout index
            Add 1 to record "0 appears" layout index
            Copy record "table" layout to record "0 appears" layout
        end
        Add 1 to record "table" layout index
    end
end

// ************************************************************************
//routine to initialize the system
Method "Initialize"
Begin
    Copy List [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,0] to record "0 appears" layout
    Load single Wheel
    Copy List [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,0] to record "table" layout
    Call "Reset"
End
// ************************************************************************
Method "Reset"
Begin
    put 0 on record "A" data
    put 37 on record "B" data
    Clear record "tracked numbers" layout
    Clear record "table" data
    Copy List [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,0] to record "0 appears" layout
End
[/reveal]

[buffalowizard]

Thanks Normy!

[Normy2000]

You are welcome... 

Here is an RNG set, not much better!
The previous set was Live spins from Dublin.

[Mako]

Normy very nice, fast service too! 

Can you change it so that it removes bets from any number that hits during the attempted session?  I forgot to mention that yesterday in my write up. 

[Mako]

Buff-Mako and you BBB
If you’re waiting for the last 18 non-hit numbers; don’t that mean to get to the LOTT, you are looking for 5 non-hits too land.
So; how will you stake this?
Above you only see 4L’s on 40 attempts.

It's wide open at this point Notto, meaning all of the "rules" aren't finalized and through the testing we need to narrow down the possible options. 

I, like Ozon mentioned, first thought of 6th-Sense's progression he mentioned to Sergio, where every 3 or so bet spins you assess how much you're down and increase the bets on the numbers left in play for the remaining attempts for that particular cycle. 

But it's so early that at the moment I want to get a feel for the hit rate % with flat bets and see if there's potential. 

[Normy2000]

Can you change it so that it removes bets from any number that hits during the attempted session?

Here:
[reveal]
System "Normy bet 0s after 18 no show"
// coded by: nOrMy2o0o

Method "main"
Begin
    While Starting a New Session
    Begin
        Call "Initialize"
        Call "Reset"
    End

    While on Each Spin
    Begin
        Track Last Number for 37 times to record "tracked numbers" layout
        Track Last Number for 1 time to record "last numbers" layout

        if  record "0 appears" layout count > 18
        begin
            Call "Flag numbers that appeared"
            call "Copy 012 appears"
            put 37 on record "B" data
            put 100% of record "tracked numbers" layout index to record "A" data
            subtract 100% of record "A" data from record "B" data
           
        end
       
        if  record "0 appears" layout count <= 18
        begin
            if record "last numbers" layout is found in record "tracked numbers" layout
            begin
                Call "Flag numbers that appeared"
                call "Copy 012 appears"
            end
            Put 1 on record "0 appears" layout list
            subtract 1 from record "B" data
            if record "B" data <= 0
            begin
                call "Reset"
            end
        end
    End
End

// ************************************************************************
Method "Flag numbers that appeared"
Begin
    clear record "table" data;
    put 1 on record "table" layout index;
    put 1 on record "table" data index;
    loop until record "table" layout index > record "table" layout count
    begin
        put 1 on record "tracked numbers" layout index;
        loop until record "tracked numbers" layout index > record "tracked numbers" layout count
        begin
            if record "table" layout = record "tracked numbers" layout
            begin
                add 1 to record "table" data;
            end
            add 1 to record "tracked numbers" layout index;
        end
        add 1 to record "table" data index;
        add 1 to record "table" layout index;
    end
End

// ************************************************************************
method "Copy 012 appears"
begin
    Clear record "0 appears" layout
    Put 1 on record "table" layout index
    loop until record "table" layout index > record "table" layout count
    begin
        put 100% of record "table" layout index to record "table" data index
        If  record "table" data = 0
        begin
            Set Max to record "0 appears" layout index
            Add 1 to record "0 appears" layout index
            Copy record "table" layout to record "0 appears" layout
        end
        Add 1 to record "table" layout index
    end
end

// ************************************************************************
//routine to initialize the system
Method "Initialize"
Begin
    Copy List [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,0] to record "0 appears" layout
    Load single Wheel
    Copy List [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,0] to record "table" layout
    Call "Reset"
End
// ************************************************************************
Method "Reset"
Begin
    put 0 on record "A" data
    put 37 on record "B" data
    Clear record "tracked numbers" layout
    Clear record "table" data
    Copy List [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,0] to record "0 appears" layout
End
[/reveal]

[Mako]

Awesome, thanks Normy!