Is zero really a problem?

[MoneyT101]

Been a while since I posted and I’m bored.  Having to be somewhere you don’t want to be but have to 

So let’s get into it

Many players complain about zero!

How because of the zero they can’t win.

The huge advantage the house has because of the uneven payout 

I played without the zero for a very long time.  I said it before... Try to win the game as if there is no zero.

Once you can win without the zero!! Then the zero solution is a piece of cake! 

I will not be sharing any methods.... This is for those that have a good method already but zero is still a problem...

I will only share ideas to help you with THE BIG BAD ZERO 

[The General]

The house edge exists on every number, not just the zero.

Betting on the zero doesn't help anything.

[MoneyT101]

Can you at least let the topic begin?

[Firefox]

Winner has a good system on a wheel without a zero. I said he would only break even, but apparently not, it's minting cash. You could help him add a zero, and he can win even more 

[MoneyT101]

The general is correct btw what he shared is true and it’s good advice!

So let’s start there....

Zero is the same as every other number.

The house edge affects you everywhere but it’s impact is felt more on group bets ( personal opinion don’t crucify) 

What I mean is...

If you bet 1 unit on zero and 1 unit on line 1

If line 1 wins you get paid 6 minus 2 stakes so 4 profit

Now let’s take this same example to straights

If you bet 1 unit on 6 numbers in line 1 OR bet 6 units on line 1 and 1 unit on zero

If line 1 wins you get 36 minus 7 staked so 29 profit

First example wins 4 units profit which if we convert that to straight 4*6=24 units

Compared to the second example which gains 29 units

So what I am trying to show you is....

One solution to the zero bet is to already incorporate the hedge bet within your game and one way to do it is convert your play to straight bets


AGAIN THIS IS A SOLUTION TO ZERO IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A WINNING METHOD.

You can’t do this if your method is crap. If your playing an ec bet and you can win more then 50% then this solution will help.

[Let Me Win]

Ultimately the logical conclusion is to cease playing roulette in favour of baccarat.

[Winner]

Winner has a good system on a wheel without a zero. I said he would only break even, but apparently not, it's minting cash. You could help him add a zero, and he can win even more 

Zero has no bearing on my system.
Vb players must be a litte dissy from watching the wheel go round and round ,hypnotic state makes believe they are printing cashiola .
They get so dissy the wheel becomes wobbly.🤪

[MoneyT101]

Ultimately the logical conclusion is to cease playing roulette in favour of baccarat.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion.   

My personal opinion roulette is better because you can take advantage of the imbalance caused by the *cough cough PAYOUT 

In baccarat you can do it but you will have to create it to happen where as in roulette it’s natural 

I know, I know another lunatic that believes the game is beatable

Off topic sorry 

[MoneyT101]

Zero has no bearing on my system.
Vb players must be a litte dissy from watching the wheel go round and round ,hypnotic state makes believe they are printing cashiola .
They get so dissy the wheel becomes wobbly.🤪

Well I was actually going to make this my third idea but you mentioned it so might as well speak about it now

Solution #2 to the zero problem

Just ignore it..... it seems so simple but it’s true

Think about this if you play EC bet 50/50... house edge is at 2.70

So if you have a way to win that gets you 55% it’s not huge so you might want to use solution #1 or solution #3 which I haven’t posted yet

But if you win 60% or higher just ignore the zero.  Take the loss and keep playing.  Just like Winner who has joined the world of the believers 

I prefer to personally include it as part of play especially if you have some type of progression in play.

***progression is nothing special and it’s just multiple flat bets.  Don’t think I’m saying anything different, not trying to confuse anyone

[Winner]

Well I was actually going to make this my third idea but you mentioned it so might as well speak about it now

Solution #2 to the zero problem

Just ignore it..... it seems so simple but it’s true

Think about this if you play EC bet 50/50... house edge is at 2.70

So if you have a way to win that gets you 55% it’s not huge so you might want to use solution #1 or solution #3 which I haven’t posted yet

But if you win 60% or higher just ignore the zero.  Take the loss and keep playing.  Just like Winner who has joined the world of the believers 

I prefer to personally include it as part of play especially if you have some type of progression in play.

***progression is nothing special and it’s just multiple flat bets.  Don’t think I’m saying anything different, not trying to confuse anyone

only if you don’t know what your doing .believing as nothing to do with math or roulette you must learn how to win the game .I see your not there yet but don’t  give it up by yourself a computer.or just get dissy with vb

[MoneyT101]

Solution #3

This will help with grouped bets but also for progressions

Play different unit amount on zero with recovery into winning method

Let’s say we are using lines

Bet 1 unit on line 1 and bet .25 units on zero

Zero payout will be 9 units minus .25

So after 4 losses of playing your method and the zero.  You’ve only lost 1 unit on the zero.  So you can easily add this to your progression on the method and start over playing .25 on zero

If you get a win before the 4 spins just take the win and the loss of .25-.75 on zero and start over

[Winner]

Solution #3

This will help with grouped bets but also for progressions

Play different unit amount on zero with recovery into winning method

Let’s say we are using lines

Bet 1 unit on line 1 and bet .25 units on zero

Zero payout will be 9 units minus .25

So after 4 losses of playing your method and the zero.  You’ve only lost 1 unit on the zero.  So you can easily add this to your progression on the method and start over playing .25 on zero

If you get a win before the 4 spins just take the win and the loss of .25-.75 on zero and start over

if you have a good system there’s no need to hedge that’s how you lose money.been there done that ,you need a winning bet on how to beat the game.

[MoneyT101]

if you have a good system there’s no need to hedge that’s how you lose money.been there done that ,you need a winning bet on how to beat the game.

I agree with you!  But your game play and your goal might be different from someone else.

I’m glad you found a way to beat the game.  What you play and what I play isn’t the same game.  I’m not going to get into a war of who is better or what.  Glad your winning! Not to many people can say they found a method.

There isn’t only one way to beat this game.  Your way is not the only way to beat this game!

So we agree their are ways to win.  Some people might need this info others might not.

[Winner]

I agree with you!  But your game play and your goal might be different from someone else.

I’m glad you found a way to beat the game.  What you play and what I play isn’t the same game.  I’m not going to get into a war of who is better or what.  Glad your winning! Not to many people can say they found a method.

There isn’t only one way to beat this game.  Your way is not the only way to beat this game!

So we agree their are ways to win.  Some people might need this info others might not.

NP

[Scarface]

Negative variance is a far worse problem than the zero.  If playing red only, you may only get 38 hits in 100 spins...this is alot worse than the 2.7% house edge