Is zero really a problem?

[MoneyT101]

Negative variance is a far worse problem than the zero.  If playing red only, you may only get 38 hits in 100 spins...this is alot worse than the 2.7% house edge

Very true but this topic is more aimed at players who have a small edge but are having trouble with zero or the small house edge issue.

[Still]

Very true but this topic is more aimed at players who have a small edge but are having trouble with zero or the small house edge issue.

When you get a small edge, come back and talk to us whenever you're bored or even not bored.   Maybe we can help you with your issues. 

[Firefox]

Negative variance is a far worse problem than the zero.  If playing red only, you may only get 38 hits in 100 spins...this is alot worse than the 2.7% house edge

That's only short term though. There's times you'll get 62 hits in 100 to compensate.

Zero is however always there, taking a percentage, winming streak or losing streak, system or no system. So no matter how you twist and turn, it really is the problem.

[Steve]

Variance is not the problem. The problem is unfair payouts, which can only be overcome by increasing odds to be better than random.

You cant control variance, with the exception of increasing your odds. Do you think the wheel gives a crap that you change your bet size? Does it give a crap that your bet selection goes from random to random? Stop wasting your time with delusion and illusion.

Players pay me a fortune for advice. Here you get it free. Take it, or dont. Not that this specific advice above is special. It's just the basics, but most members dont even get past them.

PS - Why is zero a problem? It's just another pocket. Some bet types dont cover it, but it doesnt really make a difference.

[Firefox]

That's the crux. Unfair payout.

How many people would toss a fair coin with their mate and take 100 for a win while paying them 103 for a loss. And if you bump up your bets to cover your losses (aka Progression) you get payed 1000 while your mate takes 1030. In the long run, you lose even more.

[Scarface]

But there is a theoretical limit to random.  In 200 spins, you will never see Red drop 200 times in a row.  The worse case scenario of any simulation I've ever seen is 65 Reds in 200 spins...this seems to be absolute worse case in millions of spins.  Find a way to beat this, you have your Holy Grail

[Steve]

But there is a theoretical limit to random.  In 200 spins, you will never see Red drop 200 times in a row.  The worse case scenario of any simulation I've ever seen is 65 Reds in 200 spins...this seems to be absolute worse case in millions of spins.  Find a way to beat this, you have your Holy Grail

NO. This is the typical Turbo mistake. Random does NOT have limits. What you've said is the same as "In 50 spins you'll never see all blacks or reds. This is predictable and helps us win".

There are no such limits. It is just basic probability. What is probable to happen depends largely on the amount of spins. In a random game, it doesnt AT ALL give you hints on what happens next.

Its like the bad understanding of "if you dont bet on sleepers, you increase your odds to 24/37".

Turbo is misleading people. But people with basic understanding can see his major mistakes.

[MoneyT101]

When you get a small edge, come back and talk to us whenever you're bored or even not bored.   Maybe we can help you with your issues.

Hahaha hi to you too.  Been what like 3 years since we spoke.  Hope all is well with you.

[MoneyT101]

That's only short term though. There's times you'll get 62 hits in 100 to compensate.

Zero is however always there, taking a percentage, winming streak or losing streak, system or no system. So no matter how you twist and turn, it really is the problem.

There’s to much variance playing just red and black.  Need to play in a more controlled environment

[MoneyT101]

But there is a theoretical limit to random.  In 200 spins, you will never see Red drop 200 times in a row.  The worse case scenario of any simulation I've ever seen is 65 Reds in 200 spins...this seems to be absolute worse case in millions of spins.  Find a way to beat this, you have your Holy Grail

Your looking at it the wrong way! 

There is a limit to random.  But that’s to wide of a range and you can get a win way before 200 spins mark.

The limit to red and black is 3 spins.  This is way to short because you will run into situation where both plays will come into play.  So you need to somehow make this last longer to give your game play time to make a profit.

As soon as you make a profit your done and you can start over!

[MoneyT101]

NO. This is the typical Turbo mistake. Random does NOT have limits. What you've said is the same as "In 50 spins you'll never see all blacks or reds. This is predictable and helps us win".

There are no such limits. It is just basic probability. What is probable to happen depends largely on the amount of spins. In a random game, it doesnt AT ALL give you hints on what happens next.

Its like the bad understanding of "if you dont bet on sleepers, you increase your odds to 24/37".

Turbo is misleading people. But people with basic understanding can see his major mistakes.

Steve your right!  You have good advice but it doesn’t mean there aren’t other things that cant be done!

Let me paint a picture for you....

If I sit down on the table and I write down 1-15 outcomes of spins into 5 columns using only dozens outcomes and the zero.

So 15 spins

1.â€"â€"4.â€"â€"7..â€"â€"10.â€"â€"-13.â€"â€"
2.â€"â€"5.â€"â€"8.â€"â€"11..â€"â€"-14.â€"â€"
3.â€"â€"6..â€"â€"9..â€"â€"12..â€"â€"-15.â€"â€"

How many spins would I have to write down before one of my dozens repeats on the same line?

Would I fill all 15 spins without a repeat is that possible?

Does this game I created depend on roulette odds or payout?

The roulette results can do whatever combination it wants according to its math.  But the end result will always be the same.  It has to give me a repeat before those 15 spins run out.

Only way it can avoid this repeat is if 6 zeros come out lol. 2 zeros per line then 321.132.213

The wheel doesn’t have to do or give me what I’m looking for..... but for some reason it has no choice when I write it down 

Can you tell me why?

Why do I keep winning? I don’t understand?

[MoneyT101]

Steve, prove my example wrong....

15 spins.... make dozens not have a repeat on any one row

[The General]

Steve your right!  You have good advice but it doesn’t mean there aren’t other things that cant be done!

Let me paint a picture for you....

If I sit down on the table and I write down 1-15 outcomes of spins into 5 columns using only dozens outcomes and the zero.

So 15 spins

1.â€"â€"4.â€"â€"7..â€"â€"10.â€"â€"-13.â€"â€"
2.â€"â€"5.â€"â€"8.â€"â€"11..â€"â€"-14.â€"â€"
3.â€"â€"6..â€"â€"9..â€"â€"12..â€"â€"-15.â€"â€"

How many spins would I have to write down before one of my dozens repeats on the same line?

Would I fill all 15 spins without a repeat is that possible?

Does this game I created depend on roulette odds or payout?

The roulette results can do whatever combination it wants according to its math.  But the end result will always be the same.  It has to give me a repeat before those 15 spins run out.

Only way it can avoid this repeat is if 6 zeros come out lol. 2 zeros per line then 321.132.213

The wheel doesn’t have to do or give me what I’m looking for..... but for some reason it has no choice when I write it down 

Can you tell me why?

Why do I keep winning? I don’t understand?

Well gosh golly!  What are you waiting for get out there and raise your bets!   You clearly have this all figured out!

[MoneyT101]

Well gosh golly!  What are you waiting for get out there and raise your bets!   You clearly have this all figured out!

I hope you’re not so simple minded to think this is the method to win 

Btw it wins flatbet!

I painted a picture for you to show you there are other ways to look at the game.

-this example shows an end maybe there are other ways to get to the end
-this game being played isn’t against the wheel but against a game created by paper

[Steve]

Steve your right!  You have good advice but it doesn’t mean there aren’t other things that cant be done!

Sure other things can be done. Just not the typical nonsense on forums. Even when someone with understanding explains it, the same people continue in circles.

If I sit down on the table and I write down 1-15 outcomes of spins into 5 columns using only dozens outcomes and the zero.

So 15 spins

1.â€"â€"4.â€"â€"7..â€"â€"10.â€"â€"-13.â€"â€"
2.â€"â€"5.â€"â€"8.â€"â€"11..â€"â€"-14.â€"â€"
3.â€"â€"6..â€"â€"9..â€"â€"12..â€"â€"-15.â€"â€"

How many spins would I have to write down before one of my dozens repeats on the same line?

Would I fill all 15 spins without a repeat is that possible?

Sure it's possible. Your way of thinking is wrong from the start.

Any event can and will occur given enough spins. You cant just say "will it not happen in X amount of spins" because the payout is still below the probability.

For example: You will probably never see 10 reds in a row (ive seen it many times). But let's just use it as an example. So you wait for RRRRRRRRR (9 reds). And one more red would be soooo rare. So what are the odds of red/black next? Still 18/37. So what have you changed? Nothing. It's just super old fallacy to think otherwise.

Does this game I created depend on roulette odds or payout?

BOTH.

It has to give me a repeat before those 15 spins run out.

Umm, no it doesnt. You are stuck here.

Only way it can avoid this repeat is if 6 zeros come out lol. 2 zeros per line then 321.132.213

You are still missing the point.

but for some reason it has no choice when I write it down

Casinos love your philosophy, because you've got no idea.

What you described is no different to saying there MUST be repeats. You will never see 37 unique numbers in 37 spins. You probably wont see it, but that's just because it's improbable in your lifetime. Does it matter? Nope. Why? Because the payouts still lag behind your accuracy.

If you dont get it, just go keep winning. And when you lose, keep wondering what you're missing... maybe some special progression you just need to figure out.

Seriously. You are so far behind.