Does random have limits?

[MoneyT101]

The question is not how to win at roulette!

The question is not about the roulette payout!'

Very simple question... does random have limits?

Let me paint a picture for you....

If I sit down on the table and I write down 1-15 outcomes of spins into 5 columns using only dozens outcomes and the zero.

So 15 spins

1.â€"â€"4.â€"â€"7..â€"â€"10.â€"â€"-13.â€"â€"
2.â€"â€"5.â€"â€"8.â€"â€"11..â€"â€"-14.â€"â€"
3.â€"â€"6..â€"â€"9..â€"â€"12..â€"â€"-15.â€"â€"

How many spins would I have to write down before one of my dozens repeats on the same line?

Would I fill all 15 spins without a repeat is that possible?

[MoneyT101]

Here's a simpler example for you. Consider a coin toss. There are two outcomes: head and tails.

No matter what you bet, you have a 50% chance of winning. So if the game was fair, the payout will be 1:1.

Will changing your bet size change the outcome? Nope. How about betting a repeat in X tosses will or wont happen? Nope. You still have 1:1 odds.

Now imagine if the payout for wins was 10% less.

You arent going to just break even. You'll gradually lose more and more over time. Even when you win with the expected 50% accuracy, you'll still lose.

I dont understand why many of you just dont get it.

Your getting into the uneven payout... you didn’t answer my question!

But let me answer yours.....

If I play a game that is 50/50 but I get paid 10% less on a win.

Would I really care if I win 61%?

If you can increase the accuracy of your prediction and win at a higher rate. 

Would this uneven payout matter to you?

See your stuck on the payout. 

I’m asking you about the limit!  Once you can see there is a limit then you can see what are the possibilities to reach an end.

The payout doesn’t matter if your winning more then you should be.... or am I saying something wrong here?

You preach all the time increase the accuracy of your prediction! 

So if you increase the accuracy... would the uneven payout matter?

Cant help but repeat myself 

[Roulettebeater]

in programming, we can generate long sequences of random numbers.
if we seed the data with the same value, we will get same numbers.. so regarding your question.. no, random has no limits, unless you know the seed.

[MoneyT101]

in programming, we can generate long sequences of random numbers.
if we seed the data with the same value, we will get same numbers.. so regarding your question.. no, random has no limits, unless you know the seed.

You are right.... now let’s bring the random to roulette.

Can there be more then 36 number and 0/00?

Can I get 39 when I spin the wheel?

Can I get 45 when I spin the wheel?

If I play red and black... can I get blue? Or yellow? Pink?

If I play dozens... can dozen containing numbers 37-48 come out?

After red... I can get another red or a black or a green zero.

So....
RR
RB
R0

These are the only options after my first red... I can’t get anything else.  So this game of ours has a limit. 

[MoneyT101]

I invite anyone to fill my 15 spins with dozens and prove me wrong.  Find a way for no dozen to repeat in the same row after all 15 spins.  Use actual spins

1...4...7...10...13

2...5...8...11....14

3...6...9....12...15

There are 27 combinations of 3 digits... you can even add the 0/00.

Use actual spins and prove me wrong

Could be rng, real table, or from random.org

Doesn’t matter!!!!

[Steve]

You arent increasing your odds. Sorry.

[buffalowizard]

I invite anyone to fill my 15 spins with dozens and prove me wrong.  Find a way for no dozen to repeat in the same row after all 15 spins.  Use actual spins

1...4...7...10...13

2...5...8...11....14

3...6...9....12...15

There are 27 combinations of 3 digits... you can even add the 0/00.

Use actual spins and prove me wrong

Could be rng, real table, or from random.org

Doesn’t matter!!!!

I've seen 15 chops on dozens plenty of times. You'd need one helluva progression too

[MoneyT101]

You arent increasing your odds. Sorry.

Hahaha I replied to what you asked me.  I didn’t share any info about increasing my odds. 

I asked you a question.  If I can increase my chances to get better then 50/50 on the win.  Would the uneven payout matter?

Also... answer my question on this random game being limited based on my 15 spin chart!

[MoneyT101]

I've seen 15 chops on dozens plenty of times. You'd need one helluva progression too

Please read my first post....

It’s not about winning!  It’s about random being limited.

You can’t get past the 15 spins.  No combination you use with dozens and the zero will give you what I ask using random sequence or actual sequence.

Forget progression!  Forget winning!

I’m showing you something...

[hanshuckebein]

is this about the pigeonhole principle?

[Steve]

I did answer both questions. You didn't understand the answer.

Ultimately if you know how to win, just keep doing it.

[Herby]

Very simple question... does random have limits?

Simple answer:  Yes

Mathematics can be treated like a religion:
In the holy book of distributions page 847 there you can read this and that (true things, in the insight view). Some lousy priests say: this is written, who thinks different deserves death.

Reality is: there is always more than human mind can imagine.

Mathematics is not so simple bordered as their priests tell.

[Steve]

Do numbers have limits too?

Tell me please, what supports your statement?

If you flew around the planet from east to west, would you eventually reach the north pole too?

[Steve]

Mathematics can be treated like a religion:

No. Math is not open to interpretation. The solution to an equation is absolute.

[Herby]

The solution to an equation is absolute.

This is "Doing Calculations"  , of course based on the rules of Math.

No. Math is not open to interpretation.

The world is open to interpretion by Maths.