Does random have limits?

[MoneyT101]

I’m a start quoting dyksexlic, he explains it well.

The ONLY difference between a Winning System and the Holy Grail is this:

Any roulette system can win (no matter how ludicrous the bet selection method),

However, ONLY the Holy Grail is MATHEMATICALLY guaranteed to win each session.

Consider it an insurance policy.

My roulette sessions are just like riding a rollercoaster,

Yes, there are twists, turns and scary moments,

But, I NEVER fall off the rails,

And, I ALWAYS get back to where I started from,

Walking away with my heart pounding and a BIG grin on my face..

Mathematically!

[MoneyT101]

Now because you studied the game for years and you tried many things. 

I understand and I get you don’t believe something works.  I was the same way!

-If you play randomly you will lose because we can’t predict.  It’s impossible to predict the winning number

I agree with you guys on so many levels. 

-You can’t beat the odds of the game! That’s impossible

[MoneyT101]

Are these situations different?

1.If the ball is spun by the dealer and lands on a random number.... 5
Then he spends again and it lands on 22

2. If I write down the numbers 0-36 on a piece of paper and put it in a hat.  If I pull a paper out and the number is...5

Then I put the paper back in the hat and pick out another paper and it’s 22

Both situations are random.

Are they different?

[nichedelico]

Are these situations different?

1.If the ball is spun by the dealer and lands on a random number.... 5
Then he spends again and it lands on 22

2. If I write down the numbers 0-36 on a piece of paper and put it in a hat.  If I pull a paper out and the number is...5

Then I put the paper back in the hat and pick out another paper and it’s 22

Both situations are random.

Are they different?

I think yes?

[MoneyT101]

I forgot to add one more 🤦‍â™,️

3. If go to random.org and use their number generator.. first I get 5 then I get 22

Would this be any different from the previous 2 random events?

[Person S]

The methods for obtaining numbers are different, but there is a coincidence.

[Firefox]

For the numbers spun by the dealer, there maybe a connection between 5 and 22 if he was throwing similar rotor speeds and similar balls and perhaps a dominant drop zone. Also, as in some places, the rotor direction was the same. Usually they alternate cw and acw rotors. But assuming he was throwing different rotor speeds and long but slightly different balls then the dealer version is going to be just as random.

There are different kinds of random though. Some ways of RNG are truly random such as sampling cosmic microwave background radiation at a particular instant. As opposed to a computational method using modulo arithmetic. Such sequences while  passing the tests for random numbers over billions of spins may repeat after trillions more, depending on the sophistication of the algorithm. They generally have to be seeded to start at a random point.

Taking balls out of a well mixed bag like how they do the lottery seems a good method. You can imagine a ball coming out 10 or 50 times in row, whereas it's doubtful if all random number generators would be capable of such a result.  They do get better as time and computatonal power increases though.

[Herby]

Modern physics describes 4 forces.
These 4 forces can be used to get random (independent and identically distributed (IID)) variables:

1) mechanics â€" roulette, lotto, etc
2) electrodynamic interaction (noise, z-diods,…)
3) weak interaction - Beta decay (radioactive decay)
4) strong interaction â€" Alpha decay (radioactive decay)

It does not matter where your numbers come from as long as they are independent and identically distributed.
Thus provided there is no difference in the random events.

This leaves the question: what has always to happen ?  mathematically
I know the answer, but here is MoneyT’s game.

[MoneyT101]

Everyone should take some time and read the article posted on the first post here....

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=25042.new#new

Actual mathematical proof about random numbers

[MoneyT101]

Are these situations different?

1.If the ball is spun by the dealer and lands on a random number.... 5
Then he spends again and it lands on 22

2. If I write down the numbers 0-36 on a piece of paper and put it in a hat.  If I pull a paper out and the number is...5

Then I put the paper back in the hat and pick out another paper and it’s 22

Both situations are random.

Are they different?

I forgot to add one more 🤦‍â™,️

3. If go to random.org and use their number generator.. first I get 5 then I get 22

Would this be any different from the previous 2 random events?

The methods are different at generating a random number but all are just as random can be!

You can play using double streets by taking result from the wheel then take the next outcome from the piece of paper in the hat, then take the next out come from random.org

You will have 3 independent events.... then you can continue in the same order to choose which double street you think will win... play the same way in which you chose the results

Event 1(roulette wheel), event 2(paper in hat), event 3(random.org)

And you can still play this as if you were playing a regular game of roulette.  And you can still win 😏

If you read the article in the topic link I recommended, you will understand more of how to win.  But first understand non random events

[Maui13]

I invite anyone to fill my 15 spins with dozens and prove me wrong.  Find a way for no dozen to repeat in the same row after all 15 spins.  Use actual spins

1...4...7...10...13

2...5...8...11....14

3...6...9....12...15

There are 27 combinations of 3 digits... you can even add the 0/00.

Use actual spins and prove me wrong

Could be rng, real table, or from random.org

Doesn’t matter!!!!

Money - I actually hoped that I would be wrong. Damn I had some good runs and yesterday, your worst nightmare...

I give you your numbers ...

[Person S]

Line -1: 32211. Line -2: 32021. Definitely there are repetitions

[MoneyT101]

Money - I actually hoped that I would be wrong. Damn I had some good runs and yesterday, your worst nightmare...

I give you your numbers ...

Line -1: 32211. Line -2: 32021. Definitely there are repetitions

Yes on line 1 the repeat happened on spin 7 with dozen 2

322... here

On Line 2 the repeat happened at spin 11

3202...here

On line 3 the repeat happened at spin 12

1232...here

Now, I never said to play this exact way!  I used the example to make a point and show you the principle.  I used dozens because it’s easier and simple to show you.

[Maui13]

Apologies then if I misunderstood.

Will test some more, regardless if you said to play this way or not.

[redhot]

On line 3 the repeat happened at spin 12

1232...here

In this example, we know the repeat will come at spin 12 (it has to, unless a zero comes)

But how is this useful? You would need to cover all 3 dozens.