Does random have limits?

[MoneyT101]

So Mr MoneyT101, we have the sequence

(11221221222111)..... 

You say you would have bet  21 after this.

You say 21 would have a probability greater than 25% ?

You say  you are playing "a math game" ?

Nope, that is a fallacy game. The fallacy of Priyanka. "Seek and you shall find, the answer is there all along. I've said enough already. You will find what you need to win."

It doesn't matter what riddles or philosophy or complications you want to dress up your fallacy with, the answer to this question is 25%. You can pick 21, 12, 11 ,or 22 ... as you like, the answer to any of those is still 25%. It would be 25% knowing the previous sequence, it would be 25% a priori. That is the real maths game.

Let’s forget there’s a bet or anything let’s take it to very basics...

Cycles are nothing special it’s just a way to organize the data your looking at.

So we organize the data.  Nothing weird just organizing data.  You change nothing and the wheel can do anything it wants!

The math of the game is still the same.   But because the data is organized.  You can see the data differently.

You can’t tell me cycles are a fallacy because it’s just organizing the data.  It’s the same game looked at differently.  I added nothing and I’ve changed nothing.

At the roulette table you can see what came out.  Well in cycles you can see when a repeat happened and you started over with the tracking. 

So no fallacy here!!! Nothing has been done or changed, just information has been organized.

Now when you take this data it shows repeats happen before all the outcomes can show up.  This is a fact!!!!  It’s all math.  Whether you believe it or not.  I’m not doing anything.  The data shows this!  So point out the fallacy. 

Yes every outcome is possible but it just don’t happen.

Still it’s the same data!!!   But because it’s tracked and organized it shows this more clearly. The math hasn’t changed, nothing has changed. Just the view of how you see the information.

Now that we got that covered.

If you flip a coin 100 times.  Heads can come out 100 times but will it happen?

It’s possibe but WILL IT HAPPEN?

You want to just scream fallacy all over the place. Your trying to make it sound like it’s made up.  But It’s facts!!

I know Everything is possible every spin but it doesn’t mean it will happen. 

I’m not doing anything to the data!  The data comes out that way.

Run it a trillion spins and the data comes out that way.  So point out the fallacy if it’s the math.

I showed you the math.  Cycles is  just data gathered and organized.  What fallacy?

The fallacy of me saying a repeat shows up before all outcomes.   Look at the math.  Nothing needs to be done.  I haven’t changed anything or added anything.

It’s a FACT!

[MoneyT101]

Now the problem is how to use the info!!

If you try to play it outright how it’s organized you will lose to the house edge because you haven’t changed anything.  It’s the same random info just organized.

Also when you play anything can still happen.  But just like the flip of a coin will avg out to it’s 50% or close to it.

Cycles avg out to their percentages.

So if take 100 spins you will get the same cycle percentages or close to.

This is still math and I changed nothing. 

So it’s not as random as you think!! If I get the same avg percentage

I can do 1000 spins and still the same avg percentage.  I can do 5000 spins and still the same avg percentage

It doesn’t change anything.  The game can still through anything but it will avg to the same percentage no matter what

How to take advantage is a whole different story....

[Taotie]

True story,
I once witnessed a croupier spin the wheel and flick the ball, and the ball ricocheted off the frets up into the air maybe 2 feet. The ball came down and ricocheted around the wheel again for a slit second then back up into the air though not so high this time, then fell down and came to rest in the spare ball housing at the top of the turret.

After witnessing a spin result like that you know random has no limits.

[MoneyT101]

True story,
I once witnessed a croupier spin the wheel and flick the ball, and the ball ricocheted off the frets up into the air maybe 2 feet. The ball came down and ricocheted around the wheel again for a slit second then back up into the air though not so high this time, then fell down and came to rest in the spare ball housing at the top of the turret.

After witnessing a spin result like that you know random has no limits.

Hahahah cool story

How did you do the payout?  Did everyone lose? Refunded?Or did he spin the ball again?

[Firefox]

Hahahah cool story

How did you do the payout?  Did everyone lose? Refunded?Or did he spin the ball again?

They always call "No spin" if that happens. All bets are off.

Sounds like you need some real casino time to kill them with your predictions

[Steve]

If you flip a coin 100 times.  Heads can come out 100 times but will it happen?

It’s possibe but WILL IT HAPPEN?

Your understanding is full of holes but i'll explain this point.

Will you ever see the sequence of spins 1,2,3,4,5? Probably never in your lifetime.

How about 32,14,8,27,2? Probably never in your lifetime either.

Did you know they will occur just as much as each other? Its just basic probability. Run large tests and see for yourself. It's old news.

The notion that something is possible but will never happen is bullshit, and missing the point.

Roulette is basically probability vs payout. With random accuracy, payout is always lower than probability. The only way to win consistently is increase accuracy of predictions.

It is all being spelled out by me and other experienced players. It will help anyone who cares to listen and understand.

Stop wasting your time on bullshit. Forget fallacies that are already tested since before your great great grandpa was born. Learn quicker. Life is short. Focus on methods than increase your odds.

[luckyfella]

It is all being spelled out by me and other experienced players. It will help anyone who cares to listen and understand.

Stop wasting your time on bullshit. Forget fallacies that are already tested since before your great great grandpa was born. Learn quicker. Life is short. Focus on methods than increase your odds.

What people believe is there are people out there who found systems bet that give a positive edge.

You call that bs. Your choice.

Facts need irrefutable proof.
Bs need irrefutable proof.

AP or systems or voodoo or luck, casinos ban gamblers when they win consistently.
Makes no difference whatever the label you use.

[Steve]

What people believe is there are people out there who found systems bet that give a positive edge.

You call that bs. Your choice.

No, you still don't get it. Where have i said all systems dont work?

Facts need irrefutable proof.

Yes they do. You arent understanding the irrefutable proof though.

Bs need irrefutable proof.

Its not hard to prove bs is bs, when the proof is mathematics and shitloads of tests.

AP or systems or voodoo or luck, casinos ban gamblers when they win consistently. Makes no difference whatever the label you use.

First focus on winning. Then learn to avoid detection. Its not dificult. As ive said before, almost every wheel can be beaten. The real problem is avoiding detection. But what i should say is its not really a problem, unless you require very large wins. Avoiding detection is not hard. But it limits your income.

[luckyfella]

Avoiding detection is not hard. But it limits your income.

Casinos are not stupid. That's the stumbling block right there. Gambling is just a fun and entertainment activity.

[MoneyT101]

They always call "No spin" if that happens. All bets are off.

Sounds like you need some real casino time to kill them with your predictions

Why do I need a real casino?

I can play electronic wheel or rng

That’s how I know you don’t understand anything! 

[luckyfella]

If the systems bet is based on math, makes no difference if the dealer randomly pulls numbers out of 3hats with 37numbers each in any order.

[MoneyT101]

Your understanding is full of holes but i'll explain this point.

Will you ever see the sequence of spins 1,2,3,4,5? Probably never in your lifetime.

How about 32,14,8,27,2? Probably never in your lifetime either.

Did you know they will occur just as much as each other? Its just basic probability. Run large tests and see for yourself. It's old news.

The notion that something is possible but will never happen is bullshit, and missing the point.

Roulette is basically probability vs payout. With random accuracy, payout is always lower than probability. The only way to win consistently is increase accuracy of predictions.

It is all being spelled out by me and other experienced players. It will help anyone who cares to listen and understand.

Stop wasting your time on bullshit. Forget fallacies that are already tested since before your great great grandpa was born. Learn quicker. Life is short. Focus on methods than increase your odds.

It’s possible but it’s a rare event... if I see it happen in 100 spins, would it happen again while I’m still Playing?  The question you should be asking is how many times did I lose when it happened?  Your thinking I lost all 100 spins.  But if I avoided all the losses and didn’t bet; does that affect my accuracy?

Bets placed -bets won -odds of winning

If I win more then I should be winning at those odds... is this not an increase of accuracy?

Your confusing my point with actual game play!!!! You see you don’t understand what I am doing so you can’t speak or say if it works or not

Yes you have seen your share of bs systems.  But this is not a system

I showed you facts!  Now what to do with those facts is what matters. 

Redhot posted some spins and that was random and I beat it flatbet (1 loss, 2 wins all on 1 dozen)

Firefox posted his complicated spins and I beat it flatbet (2 wins on an ec and let it ride after the first win)

It’s not enough spins but pay attention to the details.

[MoneyT101]

If the systems bet is based on math, makes no difference if the dealer randomly pulls numbers out of 3hats with 37numbers each in any order.

Facts 

[MoneyT101]

You guys can win the debate, if what I’m saying is fallacy/false/true/etc

I gave you facts about cycles and you can’t sit there and tell me that’s not math. 

The difference is it doesn’t speak about payout or roulette! 

It’s facts on random numbers!

Universal and it’s still true.

-Roulette
-craps
-baccarat

-state lottery (much slower, results are daily instead of in seconds) but random numbers as well.

Now instead of wasting your time trying to prove me wrong.  How about you investigate for yourself.  I shared plenty of info for you to figure it out.

You’re on your own from this point 

[luckyfella]

You guys can win the debate, if what I’m saying is fallacy/false/true/etc

I gave you facts about cycles and you can’t sit there and tell me that’s not math. 

The difference is it doesn’t speak about payout or roulette! 

It’s facts on random numbers!

Universal and it’s still true.

-Roulette
-craps
-baccarat

-state lottery (much slower, results are daily instead of in seconds) but random numbers as well.

Now instead of wasting your time trying to prove me wrong.  How about you investigate for yourself.  I shared plenty of info for you to figure it out.

You’re on your own from this point 

Thanks a lot for pointing it out Mel. We're definitely on it.
Ps. Drop by for a chat sometime mate.