Guide and Info - How to do precognition

[Joe]

I'm a reasonable person. And I understand why most people think areas like precognition are the thing of science-fiction. But I've seen and experienced enough to believe beyond any doubt many of these areas are real - but poorly understood and very undeveloped.

The problem is that the vast majority of people don't know to do proper tests under controlled conditions. Everyone has had experience of remarkable coincidences, but actually what would be even more amazing is if they didn't happen at all. There are always more plausible explanations for these apparent phenomena, but because of cognitive biases,  poor methodology, and lack of critical thinking, too many people are willing to believe them.

Precog says people have always believed in these 'powers', and he's right. But if they actually existed there would be SOME real evidence. But there isn't any. All cases of 'evidence' can be explained by other means, and NO rigorous tests have ever been passed, nor replicated. That's why the whole field is called pseudoscience.

[precogmiles]

First meditation was a load of bullshit. Then research showed otherwise. A human can do way more than people think.

Precog/intuition is something that works. Everybody can do it. If you put effort in it. Just like you put effort in finding the HG.

Maybe i should make daily videos of a session. Just to show some proof. Yes some days i lose. But in the long run. I win.

100% agree. This is the reality that do many sceptics can't seem to get their heads around.

Good luck and hope you keep winning.

[precogmiles]

So what? The fact that most or many people believe in something doesn't make it true. Another fallacy you like to indulge in is the straw man. You misrepresent my views and then attack the misrepresentations, but they are are not my views, so your criticisms are worthless. I've said before that I don't believe consciousness is an illusion, and I don't agree with Daniel Dennett or Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins.

You keep dodging the issue : where is the evidence that precog works? being at the top of the MPR leaderboard isn't proof, especially when you have only played a few hundred spins.

You claim to want evidence but believe it is not possible.

Can you not understand how contradictory that mentality is?

No amount of evidence will make the scientific community believe in paranormal events because it goes against the very philosophical foundations that science is built on.

Even if you practiced precog and got positive results you are not allowed to believe it is real. Simply because you believe in a materialist worldview.

This is why i say you have high priests.

Precognition and other psi events have been experienced and witnessed. This is the reality. We are not dealing with statistics, we are dealing with reality. Understand the order.

This is why I don't take sceptics seriously. You are sheep and very confused sheep at that. When your gods in lab coats give you permission and put a new name to this phenomena only then will you believe.

[precogmiles]

Precog says people have always believed in these 'powers', and he's right. But if they actually existed there would be SOME real evidence. But there isn't any. All cases of 'evidence' can be explained by other means, and NO rigorous tests have ever been passed, nor replicated. That's why the whole field is called pseudoscience.

There is plenty of real evidence. But as I keep explaining to you. You as a sheep are not allowed to believe it. Your stance against psi activity is an ideological one, it has nothing to do with reality.

There is no room for precognition in today's science. Science is too steeped in  old out dated philosophies such as empiricism and falsifiability for it to accept any psi phenomena.

When your gods allow you to think for yourself I can have a serious conversation with you. Until then please don't believe precog is real, while precogs continue to win.

[precogmiles]

Ye the spins are to few, you are right

How many spins do you want? 1000, 1 million?

Please don't ever believe precog is real.

[Joe]

You claim to want evidence but believe it is not possible.

Can you not understand how contradictory that mentality is?

Nope. Yes, scientists are skeptical about precog and other psychic powers because it would contradict laws which have been very thoroughly tested over hundreds of years and have countless applications which work reliably. But that doesn't mean they are closed-minded or that there isn't room for new theories. The scientific process is so successful because it has the attitude of doubt, not acceptance. You don't seem to realize what an anti-authoritarian stance it takes. Previous to science things were accepted on the basis of authority and tradition. Science says don't believe anything just because a lot of people do or some genius believes it. If the experiment doesn't agree with the hypothesis then the hypothesis is false, end of story.

The attitude of skepticism is part and parcel of science and is what make it so successful. It's not as though scientists haven't given psychics a fair chance to prove their powers over the years, but all attempts have failed.

And being a scientist doesn't mean you have to sign up to theories like Daniel Dennett & co. espouse; that's a rather extreme form of scientism.

You should read an account of someone who was genuinely open to the possibility of psychic powers and investigated claims for 25 years. I think you might recognize yourself in her story. It makes for an interesting read. 

link:s://:.susanblackmore.uk/chapters/why-i-have-given-up/

[ati]

The problem is that the vast majority of people don't know to do proper tests under controlled conditions

It is very difficult to test something in a controlled environment that requires a high level of calmness and focus. It's like trying to fall asleep on a stage in front of an audience.

Since no one believes that videos and articles are real, the only way to be sure is to try things yourself. The problem with that is it requires time, dedication, and an open mind.
Just try sitting in front of a wall, a blank computer screen or whatever with a clear mind, and with the aim of seeing the next roulette number. Your brain must be shut down, ideally you should not have any thoughts. After a while numbers should start appearing, disappearing, morphing into each other on the surface you are focusing on. I just tried and numbers still appearing in front of me even though I have not done it for over a year.
If it works for you, then you might believe that some people were able to take it to the next level with years of daily practice, and they are actually seeing real future numbers and not just imagining them.

[Joe]

There is plenty of real evidence.

Where? 

You keep missing the point.  It's not even as though I don't believe it because I personally can't do it. Maybe it's just a skill I don't have any aptitude for; not everyone is good at everything!

Even if just one person had demonstrated precognition consistently then I would be more open to it, but nobody has. All you have is unsubstantiated anecdotes. A bit like roulette systems really. At least we agree on that. 

[Joe]

I just tried and numbers still appearing in front of me even though I have not done it for over a year.

So why aren't you still doing it, if you were successful?

[RayManZ]

Do you know a guy called Wim Hof? He did something science never thought was posible. Now they have to rewrite all the books about that topic cause he proved he could do it and teach other to do it. You think science is the golden rule. It's not. Science does not know everything.

I dont even know why precogmiles is still trying to convince everybody. The people that give this a serious try know it works and make a living with it. Yes. Its that easy. Dedicate 6 months of all your spare time to this and you would be amazed by the results you're getting. 6 month? You know how little that is in a average human life? How many hour have you put into finding a system that works? A lot more i believe.

It not mine loss or precogmiles loss if you don't do it. Hard to believe but we don't care. We just wish you would try it out yourself and get the life you always wanted.

[precogmiles]

Nope. Yes, scientists are skeptical about precog and other psychic powers because it would contradict laws which have been very thoroughly tested over hundreds of years and have countless applications which work reliably. But that doesn't mean they are closed-minded or that there isn't room for new theories. The scientific process is so successful because it has the attitude of doubt, not acceptance. You don't seem to realize what an anti-authoritarian stance it takes. Previous to science things were accepted on the basis of authority and tradition. Science says don't believe anything just because a lot of people do or some genius believes it. If the experiment doesn't agree with the hypothesis then the hypothesis is false, end of story.

You need to study the philosophy of science. Simply claiming science is successful it gives us "countless applications which work reliably" is typical of the propoganda your high priests have brainwash you into. You mistake engineering for science.

Modern sciencists have become economists. All they do is mathematics. If we look at simple facts then it shows precognition is real. Even when empirical data is presented to show that the effects of psi are real, modern scienctists dismiss it because it does not fit into their onotological worldview of materialism.

Bringing up people like susan blackmore just proves that you really have not read much into the subject. If susan blackmore starts to believe in psi again are you going to accept psi is real? Your approach to this whole subject is very confused.

[ati]

Unfortunately I wasn't able to take it to the next level. I see numbers but after a year of trying I couldn't increase my accuracy. And since it takes a lot of time, you have to rely on a very small sample. You cannot do tens of thousands of spins and analyze the data to see how accurate you are. The focus can easily take up to half an hour before you make just one bet. Especially for beginners. Because guessing and hoping must be avoided, it's about "knowing" and being sure.
I know it all sounds BS, a couple years ago even I ridiculed those who believed in this.

The other reason I stopped is because I didn't like that I don't have to use my brain. As I mentioned these things work best if you are able to avoid having any thoughts. And I found it very boring after a while, staring into a candle flame or at a sheet of paper for hours every day, month after month.

I love to use my brain, and I believe in a certain "undiscovered" way of system play, so I focus on working on that instead. But if I fail with that, I will give this psychic way an other go.

[Joe]

You think science is the golden rule. It's not. Science does not know everything.

This shows a complete misunderstanding of science which is very common, unfortunately. Science has come under attack because it's supposed to be arrogant, a 'know it all'. But science is not a book, like the bible, which contains 'truth', nor is it a body of high priests. It's just a method of learning about nature and the world. There's a lot of hypocrisy because those who criticize science are very quick to take advantage of its benefits. Let me tell you, you would not have enjoyed life so much if you had been born 500 years ago, or even 100 years ago. The only time to be alive which is better than today is tomorrow, at least in a material sense (granted, that isn't everything).

[precogmiles]

Even if just one person had demonstrated precognition consistently then I would be more open to it, but nobody has.

In your opinion. Because, you have not done the research.

You have only done research into debunking psi. The difference between us is that I have looked at both sides of the argument.

Anyway, enjoy your ignorance. I really do not care.

[Joe]

You need to study the philosophy of science. Simply claiming science is successful it gives us "countless applications which work reliably" is typical of the propoganda your high priests have brainwash you into. You mistake engineering for science.

All modern technology, and medicine, is based on science. Engineering is just applied science.

Modern sciencists have become economists. All they do is mathematics.

Nonsense. In some highly specialized fields like cosmology that is true, but I don't think it should be.

If we look at simple facts then it shows precognition is real. Even when empirical data is presented to show that the effects of psi are real, modern scienctists dismiss it because it does not fit into their onotological worldview of materialism.

Where is the data which shows the effects of psi are real?

If susan blackmore starts to believe in psi again are you going to accept psi is real? Your approach to this whole subject is very confused.

Susan Blackmore is an example of someone who was open to psi and investigated it for a long period, but was eventually forced to admit that it doesn't exist. Her story is a good illustration of how true believers can always explain away the lack of results and how they accuse those who are sincerely trying to find the truth of being close-minded and dogmatic. Sound familiar?