VDW DS Matric

[MoneyT101]

Spins 1-9 no bet
spin 10 - 4,6
Spin 11 - 1,3,4.....W

bet amount
-2....-2
-3.....-5  W +1

[MoneyT101]

Spins 1-6 no bet
Spin 7 - 4
Spin 8 - 5
Spin 9 - 2,5

Bet  amount
-1....-1
-1....-2
-2...-4....W +2

[poluvolo]

ok firstly thanks very much about your answer moneyt101
so number 8 spin is a losing bet because must bet ds 5 and number 8spin is 21 ds4
now only this question
why at spin 9  must bet 1245?
only this explanation  please i want very much understand this system

[MoneyT101]

ok firstly thanks very much about your answer moneyt101
so number 8 spin is a losing bet because must bet ds 5 and number 8spin is 21 ds4
now only this question
why at spin 9  must bet 1245?
only this explanation  please i want very much understand this system

Spin 9 .....we are looking for a repeat of

251,252,324,325

[MoneyT101]

This bet selection still runs into problems dont come into this thinking its the HG

-sometimes to many numbers
-sometimes progression gets high
-sometimes no win in 13 spins

But you can use the ideas presented or modify it to fit your game play

[Herby]

I see there are problems with my results,
I have to check my program.

[Herby]

Thanks MoneyT for your good checkable examples.
(You can see here the importance of examples for checking results of a program)

After repairing an index problem:
MoneyT example above with this numbers:
{17, 16, 7, 27, 10, 29, 5, 21, 25, 17, 19, 27, 21}

my results look like this:
{{4, {}, {}}, {5, {5}, {}}, {6, {}, {}}, {7, {2, 5}, {}}, {8, {2, 5}, {}},
{9, {1, 2, 4, 5}, {5}},

{10, {1, 4, 5}, {}}, {11, {1, 3, 5}, {}}, {12, {3, 4}, {}},
{13, {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}, {4}}}

in this case spin #13 would bring another win with ds4 (if considered).

[Herby]

For testing with your RaspberryPi: 

Code Select Expand

spins = 13 ;
m = Floor[spins/2];

t1 = Table[{n, n + m, n + 2 m}, {n, 1, spins - 2}, {m, 1, m}];
vdw = SortBy[Cases[Flatten[t1, 1], {_, _, _?(# <= spins &)}], Last] ;      (* VdW  *)

Fun[n_] := Module[{w1a, w2, w1},
       w1a = Union[{ds[[#[[1]]]], ds[[#[[2]]]], ds[[#[[3]]]]} & /@  Cases[vdw, {_, _, _?(# < n &)}]];
       w2 = Union[{ds[[#[[1]]]], ds[[#[[2]]]], ds[[#[[3]]]]} & /@   Cases[vdw, {_, _, _?(# == n &)}]];
       w1 = Flatten[Cases[w1a, {#[[1]], #[[2]], _}] & /@ w2, 1];
  {n, Union[w1[[All, -1]]], Union[Intersection[w1, w2][[All, -1]]]}]

[MoneyT101]

Thanks MoneyT for your good checkable examples.
(You can see here the importance of examples for checking results of a program)

After repairing an index problem:
MoneyT example above with this numbers:
{17, 16, 7, 27, 10, 29, 5, 21, 25, 17, 19, 27, 21}

my results look like this:
{{4, {}, {}}, {5, {5}, {}}, {6, {}, {}}, {7, {2, 5}, {}}, {8, {2, 5}, {}},
{9, {1, 2, 4, 5}, {5}},

{10, {1, 4, 5}, {}}, {11, {1, 3, 5}, {}}, {12, {3, 4}, {}},
{13, {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}, {4}}}

in this case spin #13 would bring another win with ds4 (if considered).

Yea now run your test of 100.000 again and tell me if it’s still 52 like before

[Herby]

100.000 Cycles each 13 spins, without zero:
How many bet numbers to win:

{{1, 13687}, {2, 9058}, {3, 12758}, {4, 10064}, {5, 6578}, {6,8664}, {7, 6439}, {8, 5202}, {9, 4487}, {10, 3567},
{11, 3000}, {12,2483}, {13, 1857}, {14, 1673}, {15, 1262}, {16, 954}, {17, 747}, {18, 557}, {19, 455}, {20, 332},
{21, 268}, {22, 227}, {23, 194}, {24, 128}, {25, 118}, {26, 96}, {27, 99}, {28, 93}, {29, 60}, {30, 70},
{31, 50}, {32, 47}, {33, 35}, {34, 39}, {35, 27}, {36, 25}, {37, 24}, {38, 22}, {39, 14}, {40, 6},
{41, 11}, {42,7}, {43, 4}, {44, 2}, {45, 8}, {47, 3}, {48, 4}, {49, 1}, {50, 2},
{51, 1}, {52, 1}, {53, 1}, {54, 3}, {55, 1}, {68, 1}}

1 time 68 ds to bet until 1. win

[MoneyT101]

100.000 Cycles each 13 spins, without zero:
How many bet numbers to win:

{{1, 13687}, {2, 9058}, {3, 12758}, {4, 10064}, {5, 6578}, {6,8664}, {7, 6439}, {8, 5202}, {9, 4487}, {10, 3567},
{11, 3000}, {12,2483}, {13, 1857}, {14, 1673}, {15, 1262}, {16, 954}, {17, 747}, {18, 557}, {19, 455}, {20, 332},
{21, 268}, {22, 227}, {23, 194}, {24, 128}, {25, 118}, {26, 96}, {27, 99}, {28, 93}, {29, 60}, {30, 70},
{31, 50}, {32, 47}, {33, 35}, {34, 39}, {35, 27}, {36, 25}, {37, 24}, {38, 22}, {39, 14}, {40, 6},
{41, 11}, {42,7}, {43, 4}, {44, 2}, {45, 8}, {47, 3}, {48, 4}, {49, 1}, {50, 2},
{51, 1}, {52, 1}, {53, 1}, {54, 3}, {55, 1}, {68, 1}}

1 time 68 ds to bet until 1. win

A bet is made from spins 4-13

10 spins... if we bet all 6 outcomes for 10 spins that’s 60

How do you get 68?

I’m honestly just trying to understand the way it’s testing?

[Herby]

1 ) Spins 4 -13:  bets are made if a repeat (considering VdW Positions) is possible.
so in each 13 spins there are different amounts of bets 

2 ) If no repeats take next 13 spins: same procedure , 
3 ) If no repeats take next 13 spins: same procedure ,  and so on

Count the amount of bets (possible repeats)

So my result says: Once in 1.3 million spins it needed 68 bets to get a first repeat.

[MoneyT101]

1 ) Spins 4 -13:  bets are made if a repeat (considering VdW Positions) is possible.
so in each 13 spins there are different amounts of bets 

2 ) If no repeats take next 13 spins: same procedure , 
3 ) If no repeats take next 13 spins: same procedure ,  and so on

Count the amount of bets (possible repeats)

So my result says: Once in 1.3 million spins it needed 68 bets to get a first repeat.

Ok perfect now I get you

[Herby]

In your picture above I count 9 bet ds for a repeat.

[redhot]

Thanks MoneyT, interesting bet selection.

To help with the stats:

Tracking double streets in groups of 3 gives 216 possible combinations.

The cycle length stats for 216 different options, tested over 1 million cycles, are:

Cycle Length 1: 4732 --- 0.4732%
Cycle Length 2: 9275 --- 0.9275%
Cycle Length 3: 13660 --- 1.366%
Cycle Length 4: 18197 --- 1.8197%
Cycle Length 5: 22260 --- 2.226%
Cycle Length 6: 26031 --- 2.6031%
Cycle Length 7: 29623 --- 2.9623%
Cycle Length 8: 32585 --- 3.2585%
Cycle Length 9: 35233 --- 3.5233%
Cycle Length 10: 37273 --- 3.7273%
Cycle Length 11: 39310 --- 3.931%
Cycle Length 12: 40562 --- 4.0562%
Cycle Length 13: 41676 --- 4.1676%
Cycle Length 14: 41990 --- 4.199%
Cycle Length 15: 42393 --- 4.2393%
Cycle Length 16: 41936 --- 4.1936%
Cycle Length 17: 41206 --- 4.1206%
Cycle Length 18: 40121 --- 4.0121%
Cycle Length 19: 38835 --- 3.8835%
Cycle Length 20: 37207 --- 3.7207%
Cycle Length 21: 35459 --- 3.5459%
Cycle Length 22: 33432 --- 3.3432%
Cycle Length 23: 31690 --- 3.169%
Cycle Length 24: 29621 --- 2.9621%
Cycle Length 25: 27260 --- 2.726%
Cycle Length 26: 24869 --- 2.4869%
Cycle Length 27: 22947 --- 2.2947%
Cycle Length 28: 20762 --- 2.0762%
Cycle Length 29: 18696 --- 1.8696%
Cycle Length 30: 16945 --- 1.6945%
Cycle Length 31: 15045 --- 1.5045%
Cycle Length 32: 13076 --- 1.3076%
Cycle Length 33: 11562 --- 1.1562%
Cycle Length 34: 10027 --- 1.0027%
Cycle Length 35: 8833 --- 0.8833%
Cycle Length 36: 7521 --- 0.7521%
Cycle Length 37: 6473 --- 0.6473%
Cycle Length 38: 5581 --- 0.5581%
Cycle Length 39: 4777 --- 0.4777%
Cycle Length 40: 3908 --- 0.3908%
Cycle Length 41: 3378 --- 0.3378%
Cycle Length 42: 2722 --- 0.2722%
Cycle Length 43: 2272 --- 0.2272%
Cycle Length 44: 1888 --- 0.1888%
Cycle Length 45: 1460 --- 0.146%
Cycle Length 46: 1151 --- 0.1151%
Cycle Length 47: 1015 --- 0.1015%
Cycle Length 48: 831 --- 0.0831%
Cycle Length 49: 624 --- 0.0624%
Cycle Length 50: 475 --- 0.0475%
Cycle Length 51: 379 --- 0.0379%
Cycle Length 52: 266 --- 0.0266%
Cycle Length 53: 225 --- 0.0225%
Cycle Length 54: 169 --- 0.0169%
Cycle Length 55: 158 --- 0.0158%
Cycle Length 56: 96 --- 0.0096%
Cycle Length 57: 70 --- 0.007%
Cycle Length 58: 70 --- 0.007%
Cycle Length 59: 44 --- 0.0044%
Cycle Length 60: 30 --- 0.003%
Cycle Length 61: 23 --- 0.0023%
Cycle Length 62: 16 --- 0.0016%
Cycle Length 63: 16 --- 0.0016%
Cycle Length 64: 10 --- 0.001%
Cycle Length 65: 8 --- 0.0008%
Cycle Length 66: 6 --- 0.0006%
Cycle Length 67: 2 --- 0.0002%
Cycle Length 68: 2 --- 0.0002%
Cycle Length 69: 2 --- 0.0002%
Cycle Length 70: 2 --- 0.0002%
Cycle Length 71: 1 --- 0.0001%
Cycle Length 72: 0 --- 0%
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Cycle Length 75: 0 --- 0%
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Cycle Length 216: 0 --- 0%


In 13 spins you are recording 36 combinations (cycle length 35) so you have a 95.43% chance of getting a repeat combination in that window.

The limit was cycle length 71 which happened once out of 1 million cycles, similar to the value Herby has reported.