Am I wrong?

[Maui13]

I see names for pockets. Random numbers.

There are two possibilities:
If there are repeated numbers, it is mere coincidence.
If there are repeated numbers, it is a biased wheel. (Very hard to find nowadays.)

In any case, nothing you tell me will make me change my mind.

No no no, I don't want to make you change your mind. I'd be an absolute asshole for trying to do so. You have your opinion, and I have mine.

What I would like you to do however, is head on over to random.org ( which by the way has NOTHING to do with a wheel, with roulette or anything )

Pick numbers 0 - 36 and let it spit out 36/37 numbers.

Strange thing is - you'll get repeats EVERY....SINGLE .....TIME

So lets come back to roulette for a second.

Lets assume you're playing an absolute perfect wheel, no bias, the most perfect dealer... not biased either .... and the most perfect casino circumstances in the world. Air-con set to the right temp, waitress gorgeous.... and all the other bullshit that goes with it.

Guess what, you'll get repeats.

Btw - lets change that, and go complete opposite - biased wheel, biased dealer, ugly chick etc. etc.   ( you get the picture )

Guess what ........again? You'll get you some more repeats.

Does the wheel care about the past? Nope, BUT numbers sure as hell repeat.

So I personally don't fully agree with your statement. Do I have the answer as to why numbers repeat (random.org)   Nope, I don't.... all I know, they do repeat, and people can use that to some extent.

Hope that was polite? 

Ciao
M

[nottophammer]

You tell me what you see in these numbers? 

13
24
34
15
30
19
20
7
2
30
4
29
26
28
35 +50 Generals KFC
0
22
20
7
8
2
4
19
12
5
36
13
13 +24 betting hit once
14
20 +22 another win on hit once
35
24
11
33
32
9

Then, I'll continue what I think about your statement.

Wins on colour matrix as well So unique and repeats; but all in ones head

[Roulettebeater]

André
You pushing many here to the uncomfortable zone !
Those who ever believed that roulette is the easiest way to become rich !
People like those have ever understood that past spins are related to future ones!

[Andre Chass]

This topic of uniques and repeaters, "LOT" has already been debated for years.

Let's assume that roulette has only 10 numbers.
The chances of 10 spins hit for example:

5-9-2-8-3-5-10-8-4-3 (three repeaters)

Or

3-9-4-10-8-6-2-7-1-5 (ten uniques)

are the same.

Prove me I'm wrong.

The wheel has no memory.

[Firefox]

They are the same.

But there's a lot more other sequences that can come up with 3 repeaters which look similar such as  5-9-2-6-3-5-10-6-4-3 which convince people to believe that a particular sequence with 3 repeaters is more likely than  particular sequence of uniques.

We know that numbers are more likely to repeat, but we don't know which ones will until the whole event has ocurred. All we can bet on is the next spin, and for that each number still has a 1/37 chance, so any prediction system based on repeaters is enticing, but doomed to failure.

[Maui13]

Prove me I'm wrong.

I proved with the very first test I did, (random.org) showed me repeaters.

What the hell else should I do to "prove" 

If anything, you made a statement, now back it up with proof. Stop shooting from the hip.

[Maui13]

Repeaters, uniques, trends, patterns, etc are all  only in your head.

@ Firefox - you say "We know that numbers are more likely to repeat, but we don't know which ones will until the whole event has ocurred"

which contradicts the above statement from Andre.

All I'm saying is, you cannot make statements like his, if you don't have proof to back it up.

I showed repeaters, so it's not in my head. As a matter of fact, I can show him millions of trials with repeaters, so his statement is exactly what it is .... his opinion.

Night - off to bed!   

[The General]

@ Firefox - you say "We know that numbers are more likely to repeat, but we don't know which ones will until the whole event has ocurred"

which contradicts the above statement from Andre.

All I'm saying is, you cannot make statements like his, if you don't have proof to back it up.

I showed repeaters, so it's not in my head. As a matter of fact, I can show him millions of trials with repeaters, so his statement is exactly what it is .... his opinion.

Night - off to bed!   

In the random game, why should a number that has hit be more likely to hit over the next series of spins than a number that has not hit?
After all the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, right?  And doesn't the number of pockets on the wheel determine the probability of winning?
What is the magical force that makes "repeaters" more likely to hit ? 

[Firefox]

@ Firefox - you say "We know that numbers are more likely to repeat, but we don't know which ones will until the whole event has ocurred"

which contradicts the above statement from Andre.

No it doesn't.

Any precise sequence of 10 numbers has the probability  (1/37)^10

Andre gave two different precise sequences, one with uniques, one with repeaters. They both have the same probabilty  (1/37)^10 so he is correct.

There happen to be more sequences overall with repeated numbers than  there are with uniques.

So if you select a sequence at random from all the possible ones, it is more likely to contain repeats than be solely uniques.  But that's a different question to the one  Andre posed.

That's what I meant when I said that there are more likely to be repeated numbers in a random sequence.

However, this fact does not help you in gaining any advantage in prediction of the next number which is the only thing anyone can bet on.

[Madi]

Lets assume you're playing an absolute perfect wheel, no bias, the most perfect dealer... not biased either .... and the most perfect casino circumstances in the world. Air-con set to the right temp, waitress gorgeous.... and all the other bullshit that goes with it.

Guess what, you'll get repeats.



Ciao
M

No need to assume. Its just the real condition of 99% casino. Casino got the money , manpower , willingness to maintain this condition for their own safety.

This will effectively keep the wheel junkies away from casino who mostly look for stars in day time.

[6th-sense]

In the random game, why should a number that has hit be more likely to hit over the next series of spins than a number that has not hit?
After all the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, right?  And doesn't the number of pockets on the wheel determine the probability of winning?
What is the magical force that makes "repeaters" more likely to hit ? 

No magical force just the mechanics of roulette which I’ve explained and cannot be denied

Doesn’t mean you can predict the numbers but the mechanics is there

[The General]

No magical force just the mechanics of roulette which I’ve explained and cannot be denied

Doesn’t mean you can predict the numbers but the mechanics is there

Are you winning with this?

[6th-sense]

I’m just answering the question about the magical force

You cannot win with repeats alone

You need all three states

That’s just a visual concept that you see and then disregard everything else that’s happening

Everyone seems stuck on repeats

I’m not one of them

[The General]

I’m just answering the question about the magical force

You cannot win with repeats alone

You need all three states

That’s just a visual concept that you see and then disregard everything else that’s happening

Everyone seems stuck on repeats

I’m not one of them

In the random game repeaters are no more relevant than cold numbers.   The probability of winning doesn't change based on the past number that have hit.  -Gambler's fallacy. 


Unfortunately the "Turbo Cult" and his con on roulette simulator fooled a lot of very gullible people into believing that repeaters would enable them to beat the random game in the long run.

[Andre Chass]

In the random game repeaters are no more relevant than cold numbers.   The probability of winning doesn't change based on the past number that have hit.  -Gambler's fallacy. 

Unfortunately the "Turbo Cult" and his con on roulette simulator fooled a lot of very gullible people into believing that repeaters would enable them to beat the random game in the long run.
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The General is one of the funniest (and consistent) guys in this forum. I have a lot of fun with his posts. About me? I made some mistakes in the past, I believed in many systems based on fallacy, I made a lot of money, I lost a lot of money too. Anyway, I'm a zero here. Unfortunately Turbo caused many to believe in a fallacy.