Computer/ visual ballistic techqniues

[Roulettebeater]

Good day guys !

I have developed a visual ballistic system that I can use online, I won’t dive deep in the system but i want to share with you some observation :

Any VB system or computer has a problem with the dealers who spin the ball and it doesn’t hit the metal deflectors, my experience showed that the performance is very bad when the ball leaves the rim without hitting the deflector, this invalidating the predictions, while the performance seems good under the situation where the ball leaves the track after hitting the deflector...

Does any body have similar experience on this matter ?

[Firefox]

This can be a common problem with certain conditions.

If you get a spinner it will probably be random.  The only thing you can do is record spinners and see if they come off at one place more often due to a warped numbers ring. Then it is maybe worth a fixed bet on that sector depending on frequency. They can rotate the pockets relative to that number, but it probably won't move this defect. If it does, you can pick it up  next time you observe spinners.

If it is not a spinner but just hits the frets at a shallow angle then if the scatter does not overlap with a diamond strike bounce and scatter, or the scatter appears to be random, then you just have to accept random bets on this event.

If it is happening too much to reduce your edge, maybe you will have to decide to not play that wheel or dealer.

[Roulettebeater]

This can be a common problem with certain conditions.

If you get a spinner it will probably be random.  The only thing you can do is record spinners and see if they come off at one place more often due to a warped numbers ring. Then it is maybe worth a fixed bet on that sector depending on frequency. They can rotate the pockets relative to that number, but it probably won't move this defect. If it does, you can pick it up  next time you observe spinners.

If it is not a spinner but just hits the frets at a shallow angle then if the scatter does not overlap with a diamond strike bounce and scatter, or the scatter appears to be random, then you just have to accept random bets on this event.

If it is happening too much to reduce your edge, maybe you will have to decide to not play that wheel or dealer.

Well, it’s by all means an issue, i was playing yesterday and suddenly after dealer switch, the ball in approx 80% of his spins didn’t hit any deflector, instead it was running steadily, ball drop wasn’t perpendicular! It just fell slow on the surface and continued rotating for 2-5 seconds then fell inside the pocket!

This behavior invalidated all expectations !

The big question is how does a dealer can influence the ball ! In other words it seems dealer can cause the ball to not hit the deflectors, can this be caused by the ball’s launche angle ?

[Firefox]

Some dealers can put sidespin or backspin on the ball which can cause it to behave unexpectedly after the main momentum wears off. I believe TG calls it a "bad hand". If the results are too random so as to negate any edge, then avoid that dealer, I guess.

[Steve]

Dealers cannot aim to either hit or avoid diamonds, unless the ball only traveled 3-4 revolutions. I won't go into details. It's just not realistic.

And some types of ball fall are unpredictable. Some look unpredictable but aren't. Some overlap, some cancel each other out. What matters is there is a discrepancy that makes it not random. And almost always you have that.

Most people think roulette is totally random. Truth is it's almost impossible to have completely unpredictable spins, especially in typical conditions.

How much predictability do you need? Not much. The house edge is small. You must sacrifice some edge to remain undetected. My teams generally don't bother unless we get 20%+ edge. We want to smash wheels, not just have an edge. It makes avoiding detection easier.

[Roulettebeater]

Dealers cannot aim to either hit or avoid diamonds, unless the ball only traveled 3-4 revolutions. I won't go into details. It's just not realistic.

And some types of ball fall are unpredictable. Some look unpredictable but aren't. Some overlap, some cancel each other out. What matters is there is a discrepancy that makes it not random. And almost always you have that.

Most people think roulette is totally random. Truth is it's almost impossible to have completely unpredictable spins, especially in typical conditions.

How much predictability do you need? Not much. The house edge is small. You must sacrifice some edge to remain undetected. My teams generally don't bother unless we get 20%+ edge. We want to smash wheels, not just have an edge. It makes avoiding detection easier.

Steve
Why you always try to replay the same symphony!

I don’t care what your team does and what edge they have !

I put a discussion on a very clear situation and waited for some useful
Inputs, Firefox wrote down his experience while you went too far and didn’t answer the main questions, besides to that you didn’t express your evaluation of that particular case !

I will be looking forward to know your evaluation !

Cheers

[ego]

One important lesson is that roulette computers do not solve your problems beating the wheel.
You need visual ballistic knowledge to beat the wheel and a roulette computer is only a tool that can help you.
Without knowledge of physics, a roulette computer is worthless.

The whole wheel is one pin game except level wheel.
You can predict ball with wheel signature and light visual ballistics and know the degree of tilt and where the ball will hit deflector.

In a 3 pin game, the last hitting deflector in that particular direction is the reference deflector.
The other two deflectors before that donate ball jumps into the same high probability area.

123 pin games same thing except for level wheel.

My opinion.

[Firefox]

It would also depend on your type of VB prediction though. If you are using a computer or a VB method which involves more difficult calculation, then you may be able to overcome fall off at any point, as the ball deceleration can be more accurately accounted for, and then I'd accept Steve's point that you may be able to pick through the event to produce patterns.

If however, you are using a VB method that relies on a dominant drop zone to constrain fall off, then fall off between diamonds at other points will negate the accuracy of prediction. So I can see how these conditions would not be suitable for all methods.

[Steve]

I did answer the question. I guess you didn't understand. And my explanation of level of edge and what we do, why, and why you shoukdnt be focusing on what you are, might be relevant.

[Roulettebeater]

I did answer the question. I guess you didn't understand. And my explanation of level of edge and what we do, why, and why you shoukdnt be focusing on what you are, might be relevant.

why do you think that you can defeat the game under any conditions? that sounds to me unrealistic.

[Firefox]

Fall off between diamonds is more like a level wheel game. Unless there is a lot of spin in which case it may be difficult to predict unless you can read the spin. I don't pretend to be able to do that, but I know of people who have tried.

For a level wheel game you need a computer tuned to that game, or something I believe called E3 for VB which I only read about elsewhere. But the calculation for that is difficult as it requires angles, offsets and multiplying by awkward numbers. Easier for me anyway to find a wheel more suited to my VB methods.

[Roulettebeater]

Watch at Minute 09:48 - 09:51  and tell me how the fuc* can the ball do that !

[Firefox]

Up the cone and back. Can result from a radial deflection off the short edge of a pocket.

I counted rotor at about 5.5 secs. Came off around 20 acw and rested 29. That's quite a long scatter at that rotor speed on a relatively sticky wheel.  Both adjacent green numbers for me, so 5/6 wheel or 30/31 pockets. From what I saw of that wheel it was bouncing back quite a bit, I'd have been betting only about around 12 pockets or so after the strike at that rotor speed. So the video clip at 9:48 is  a shadow ball.

But, up the cone can occur a reasonable  amount and you usually get longer ball travels if it does, so although it's not the normal path, it happens.

[Steve]

why do you think that you can defeat the game under any conditions? that sounds to me unrealistic.

Where did I say that exactly?

[Firefox]

They rather messed up the early part of the spin on RB's video with the camera angle.

Are you able to select the view you want, or do you have to stick with the feed?

But given fall off at the bottom, and knowing rotor speed 5.5, was anyone else able to predict the fall off number visually from the info in the video? I got close at around 22-31. I would be nowhere near the resting place though. Probably would have gone for 8-11-13 area. Maybe 27-30 split  8-11 split and 13.  All good tiers bets!