PLUSCOUP PROGRESSION

[Jordan]

the root of this progression is the strategy

[F_LAT_INO]

Pluscoup is an excellent way of playing with limited chips.

My thoughts are to apply this to FENDER1000's crossplay with the modification of waiting for 4 and playing for 4.  It would be a personal decision whether you'd begin immediately or wait for 'x' trigger(s).

I think Victor's Trillioneighbors strategy may work with it as well.  Victor?

This kind of progression wouldn't be suitable for any waitingxxxx then bet
methods-----its most suitable for continous bets,when A-versus B,with jumping small sessions.

[Jordan]

i agree!

[GLC]

Victor,

I'm just going to mention a system that uses this pluscoup progression in what I think is a very good application.  I don't mean to hi-jack your post.

Hermes, I know for sure, and probably others are aware of a system called "Trioplay".  Rather than my trying to explain this system, which is a little involved, although once you understand it, it's very easy to play, I'll let the author of the system explain it:

FULL TRIO PLAY.pdf

I have played this system extensively.  It is one of my favorites although not the Holy Grail as the author implies, but close.

Please feel free to ask any questions and I'll (and I'm sure Victor, Hermes and others can help) answer them to the best of my (our) knowledge.

Regards,   George

[VLS]

Hello dear George,

Many thanks for mentioning this at proper thread.

Don't worry. My threads are always open for productive discussion and open to contribution.

Thank you very much!

Victor

[GLC]

You will note that the author says not to try to adapt this method of play to any other bet, i.e. dozens, streets, corners etc..., but if it'll work on e.c.s it should also work on any bet.

I know that this is another thread topic, but I'd like some help figuring out how to adapt this to 2:1 bets.

George

[Paja]

Pluscoup is very interesting progression but needs good bet selection.  Thought it could help me in EC bets but i find it crash sooner or later.  Long series of L's on higher levels of progression kill it.  Adding +1 unit on later stages is not enough to recoup - it needs longer and longer series of W's. 

Playing with small bankroll is one way to go, or maybe playing with huge bankroll and second version of pluscoup where one adjusts bet size depending on W/L relations or percentage of bankroll one is losing (which is harder to calculate).

Betting on more than 18 numbers produce longer winning series, so maybe addapting it for 2 doz/col bets or 4-5 double streets?

[F_LAT_INO]

In my humble opinion its very adaptable on any EC bets /outside-inside/without much deviation,But which bet-of many-to decide on.
Any ideas gents?

[F_LAT_INO]

My choice of the suitable bet for a pluscoup--

BETTING WITH DOMINANT E/C IN LAST 7 SPINS.

Any other suggestions?

[Paja]

EC systems with mild progressions or even better, with flat betting are the bets with least risk.  Player has good control over his bankroll.  So i guess then changing pluscoup to suit non EC bets won't give some special advantage.  I agree it would be better idea to find good bet selection for pluscoup among EC bets.  Not easy job. . .

F LAT INO thank you for sharing idea.  I haven't tracked dominant EC in short cycles, only on larger scale to see if the one which is behind will take lead at some point but that didnââ,¬â,,¢t show to be profitable.

Is color dominant if relation is 4:3 (RRRRBBB) or it is better to be 5:2 or 6:1?

I guess 3 spins is too short for determing dominance, but what about 5 spins or 9? Are 7 spins best in terms of accuracy/waiting time?

[sherminator]

If you can develop a strategy that can give you a good supply of wins consecutively instead of in a more spread out fashion,  that is where this type of progression can work some magic.
The progression itself can be played in different ways.  I don't think it's necessary to bet every spin with it.  You could use some kind of LW registry to go with it.
Personally, I would always just set a win target of 1 unit and then start over.  It is always about minimizing your exposure to the house as best as you can.
I would be careful about trying to adapt it to include more numbers.  I think 2 dozens/24 numbers is about as far as you want to be going with it.  Any more than that and a losing run will eat away at a lot of the profits unless you have a big bankroll and then you are just an accident waiting to happen.

[F_LAT_INO]

EC systems with mild progressions or even better, with flat betting are the bets with least risk.  Player has good control over his bankroll.  So I guess then changing pluscoup to suit non EC bets won't give some special advantage.  I agree it would be better idea to find good bet selection for pluscoup among EC bets.  Not easy job. . .

F LAT INO thank you for sharing idea.  I haven't tracked dominant EC in short cycles, only on larger scale to see if the one which is behind will take lead at some point but that didnââ,¬â,,¢t show to be profitable.

Is color dominant if relation is 4:3 (RRRRBBB) or it is better to be 5:2 or 6:1?

I guess 3 spins is too short for determing dominance, but what about 5 spins or 9? Are 7 spins best in terms of accuracy/waiting time?

Have tested 6000 spins with 3,5,7-dominants/any dominance/and it seems 7  shows best results.Also as Sherminator suggested,creating a trigger bet/not betting
every spin/as for instance;punting only on trends after 2 of the same in the row;
B
B-----next spin bet on black--following the last and DBL--
R-lost and wait for next opportunity.

[Paja]

Tested pluscoup on dominant color.  If color was dominant in 7 spins, bet that it will stay dominant in next 7.

+58 in 204 spins, highest bet size was 12 units

+60 in 271 spins, highest bet size was 13 units

-601 units in 141 spins, never were in profit, max bet size 53 units, stopped session cause it was pointless.

All real spins from Wiesbaden.

Looks like progression should be restarted if it reaches certain amount, let say 5 units.

I agree that betting each spin is not good idea.  Good bet selection relies on knowing when not to bet and when to bet opposite.

[Jordan]

We must NOT bet on the dominand EC...we need to bet on the balance to come!

eg try bet the colour that has left behind 7 times in 10.

8-10 times the balance will come...2 of 10 will not come...that why as U told we must have a stop loss.to avoid these bad sequences

[Paja]

We must NOT bet on the dominand EC. . . we need to bet on the balance to come!

eg try bet the colour that has left behind 7 times in 10.

8-10 times the balance will come. . . 2 of 10 will not come. . . that why as  you told we must have a stop-loss. to avoid these bad sequences

For me it's better to go with the wheel, not against it.  What if, for an hour before you came to casino red was dominant and then wheel starts to throw black in order to restore balance on the next hour?

It would be better to turn lost 7 spins sets into winning ones by not betting all 7 spins.

Let's say we have RRRRBBB, where red is dominant. 

We bet that in the next set of 7 spins red will stay dominant.

Next  set is BRRBBBR which would be loss in case we bet all 7 spins.

If we bet only until we have +1 advantage (first 3 spins - where red is dominant BRR ) we win a losing set.