Any 8 numbers to be missed

[BellagioOwner]

I remember here on the forum, a few months ago someone wrote that in 6 million spins he tested, the longest he witnessed any 8 numbers to be missed was 68 times. In other words that it took a maximum of 68 spins to be left 7 unhit numbers.

Can anyone verify or test this or direct me a website that I can test it? Not sure how to search it on the net and I don't know coding.

I believe it would be an interesting note if indeed we knew that in such a big sample as 6 million spins. 

[Roulettebeater]

I remember here on the forum, a few months ago someone wrote that in 6 million spins he tested, the longest he witnessed any 8 numbers to be missed was 68 times. In other words that it took a maximum of 68 spins to be left 7 unhit numbers.

Can anyone verify or test this or direct me a website that I can test it? Not sure how to search it on the net and I don't know coding.

I believe it would be an interesting note if indeed we knew that in such a big sample as 6 million spins. 

yes i read about it, it's called the Roulette Bandit stragedy

[BellagioOwner]

yes i read about it, it's called the Roulette Bandit stragedy
 

not sure what that is, or if you're just trolling by the emoticon. From what I checked on Google roulette bandit has nothing to do with this. (it's about R/B sequences) I don't have any system yet anyway in mind. But this information about the last left unhit numbers could be useful to be built an approach around it.

So back on topic, if anyone knows how we can calculate this (the length of unhit numbers as described in the beginning) let us know

[Let Me Win]

You can save yourself a lot of time by sitting in a dark room and really thinking about what it means that each spin is an independent result and that it's simply not possible for history to influence the future.

Honestly it's simply not possible so once you have really grasped that and understood it then you no longer need to know the answer to your question as it can't possibly be of any use to you.

[BellagioOwner]

I know all of that.  I know gambler's falacy  and that ball has no memory.  But your reply doesn't really answers to my question does it? 

[nottophammer]

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In 730 sets of 148 #’s supplied by Random.org
34 of the starting 37 #’s have hit in all 730 sets.
In fact all 37 #’s have hit in 367 of the 730 sets.
But you already have had a comment on the fallacy of collecting info, when the wheel has no memory; it’s just 1/37.
Just take it, because they’ll be quoting that until doomsday.

[Let Me Win]

It is more important that you ask the right questions.

[Herby]

{{30, 1}, {31, 3}, {32, 24}, {33, 88}, {34, 225}, {35, 509},
{36, 1075}, {37, 2032}, {38, 3369}, {39, 5376}, {40, 7719},
{41, 11053}, {42, 14604}, {43, 19119}, {44, 23585}, {45, 28819},
{46, 33054}, {47, 37497}, {48, 41018}, {49, 45033}, {50, 47280},
{51, 48966}, {52, 49791}, {53, 49914}, {54, 49177}, {55, 47456},
{56, 45509}, {57, 42938}, {58, 40399}, {59, 37412}, {60, 34072},
{61, 31233}, {62, 27766}, {63, 24984}, {64, 21953}, {65, 19373},
{66, 16756}, {67, 14610}, {68, 12595}, {69, 10562}, {70, 9038},
{71, 7727}, {72, 6281}, {73, 5417}, {74, 4505}, {75, 3693},
{76, 2942}, {77, 2537}, {78, 2107}, {79, 1670}, {80, 1405},
{81, 1098}, {82, 886}, {83, 760}, {84, 610}, {85, 490}, {86, 361},
{87, 341}, {88, 244}, {89, 214}, {90, 155}, {91, 120}, {92, 101},
{93, 67}, {94, 72}, {95, 44}, {96, 33}, {97, 29}, {98, 17}, {99, 16},
{100, 13}, {101, 13}, {102, 9}, {103, 7}, {104, 3}, {105, 4}, {106, 7},
{107, 5}, {108, 5}, {109, 2}, {110, 1}, {112, 1},
{118, 1}}

1 Million trials, spin until 28 different numbers,   54.911.957 spins
1 time it needed 118 spins to get 28 different numbers

nothing recorded

Code Select Expand

Miss8[] := Module[{},
  tri = RandomInteger[36, n];
  m = 29;
  While[m < n && (lut = Length[Union[tk = Take[tri, m]]]) < 29, m++];
  m]

[nottophammer]

No point in asking you; you'll just quote that old 1/37 and no memory

[nottophammer]

usual amount of non-hit for 60 spins

[nottophammer]

And sometimes this many Random.org


1/37 yeah we've heard it all before

[BellagioOwner]

1 Million trials, spin until 28 different numbers

I think it should bet until 29 different numbers so that one of the last 8 IS INDEED hit, but that's ok. thanks anyway

{69, 10562}, {70, 9038},
{71, 7727}, {72, 6281}, {73, 5417}, {74, 4505}, {75, 3693},
{76, 2942}, {77, 2537}, {78, 2107}, {79, 1670}, {80, 1405},
{81, 1098}, {82, 886}, {83, 760}, {84, 610}, {85, 490}, {86, 361},
{87, 341}, {88, 244}, {89, 214}, {90, 155}, {91, 120}, {92, 101},
{93, 67}, {94, 72}, {95, 44}, {96, 33}, {97, 29}, {98, 17}, {99, 16},
{100, 13}, {101, 13}, {102, 9}, {103, 7}, {104, 3}, {105, 4}, {106, 7},
{107, 5}, {108, 5}, {109, 2}, {110, 1}, {112, 1},
{118, 1}}

Even if it's 28 numbers and not 29 as I say, I see tons of times that it reached more than just 68, so I guess the guy was BS about the 6 millions

[Herby]

1 Million trials, spin until 28 different numbers,   54.911.957 spins
1 time it needed 118 spins to get 28 different numbers

Correction:
1 Million trials, spin until 29 different numbers,   54.911.957 spins
1 time it needed 118 spins to get 29 different numbers

Seems this beer is too strong.

[BellagioOwner]

54.911.957 spins
1 time it needed 118 spins to get 29 different numbers

Thanks for the input. So once it reached 118 spins.  But this is in 54 millions+ spins.  Looks like an overkill

Seems this beer is too strong.

Nice!  I'd like some strong beer  too!

Can we maybe just reduce from 54+millions to just 6 like he proposed?  I think if my calculations  are correct it's around 100.000trials instead of a million trials

[Herby]

6.036.555 spins:

{{30, 1}, {31, 2}, {32, 4}, {33, 10}, {34, 24}, {35, 60}, {36, 109},
{37, 215}, {38, 339}, {39, 620}, {40, 843}, {41, 1278}, {42, 1675},
{43, 2055}, {44, 2496}, {45, 3134}, {46, 3679}, {47, 4171}, {48, 4547},
{49, 4926}, {50, 5399}, {51, 5333}, {52, 5480}, {53, 5466}, {54, 5396},
{55, 5200}, {56, 5118}, {57, 4718}, {58, 4504}, {59, 4018}, {60, 3810}, {61, 3377},
{62, 3091}, {63, 2768}, {64, 2415}, {65, 2014}, {66, 1880}, {67, 1555}, {68, 1330},
{69, 1141}, {70, 986}, {71, 804}, {72, 732}, {73,577}, {74, 493}, {75, 421}, {76, 336},
{77, 273}, {78, 226}, {79, 181}, {80, 127}, {81, 123}, {82, 101}, {83, 77}, {84, 72},
{85, 51}, {86, 56}, {87, 35}, {88, 29}, {89, 26}, {90, 17}, {91, 13}, {92, 6}, {93, 3}, {94, 6}, {95, 6}, {96, 7}, {97, 3}, {99, 3}, {100, 3}, {101, 2}, {102, 1}, {103, 1}, {104, 1}, {105, 1}}