True/Fair Randomness

[Steve]

$49.95, with a free lollipop.

[Still]

If people are happy with luck, that's their choice.

The game is rigged though. To me it makes no sense to bend over to billionaire casino owners. Wouldn't you rather do the ..

Well not literally, but you get my point.

I'm not happy with luck, so i've never gone beyond what i can see in my own spreadsheets.   The worst thing that can happen is i become a better programmer and be a little disappointed with some results.   I haven't tested everything that i wish to test so there is still some curiosity based on what some people here continue to claim with confidence.   As a rule though, i notice the people making claims with confidence are not proficient with spreadsheets/programming, nor do they much play on MPR.   I have also noticed that making a claim with confidence is sometimes a way to motivate people who are proficient with spreadsheets/programming to spend some limited amount of gun powder on another long shot. 

I don't count the times i put $3 on the pass line on my way to the $7.77 buffet dinner, trying to cut that in half.  I do that to get a feel for the dice, as i do hobby with dice control techniques. 

[Steve]

i notice the people making claims with confidence are not proficient with spreadsheets/programming, nor do they much play on MPR

No. They prefer Parx, where players have a mathematical edge. Or RS, at least until the cheating loophole was fixed. I'd love to know Turbo's excuse for not ranking on RS now. If he could do it, he would have plastered details everywhere like he used to. Now he has vanished.

MPR is avoided because it's realistic, and bankroll resets are accounted for.

I have also noticed that making a claim with confidence is sometimes a way to motivate people who are proficient with spreadsheets/programming to spend some limited amount of gun powder on another long shot. 

Yes a number of trolls have previously done this, to get others to do testing for them. But long after the troll has changed usernames, a few suckers continue to test, thinking the troll was the master with the HG.

[Firefox]

It's great to have fun inventing and have fun dabbling with systems, but misleading  to present that approach as giving an edge.

Unfortunately there are a lot of vulnerable people who will either get scammed into paying for something that doesn't work, and worse lose all their housekeeping money in the belief that it will.

[Steve]

It would be so easy to scam typical players because of fallacies, and they would fall for what they want to hear. But what works isnt as popular as typical trash.

[andreib1986]

$49.95, with a free lollipop.

How can you know if its legal to play with in particular state?

[Steve]

Check the laws on state gaming authority websites. Focus on the definition of cheating. Usually they clearly forbid anything that gives you an advantage from deception or tampering with results.

Computers dont tamper with results. And the edge does not come from deception. AP is clearly legal, despite needing to be covert.

Laws that make it clearly illegal state something along the lines that no device may be used to predict game outcomes. Vegas is an example. Its a bad idea to use computers there, even though you could easily get away with it. What proof does an encrypted and wiped phone leave? Still its against my contracts to break laws.

Until recently it appeared to be legal in about 50% of jurisdictions, but its more like 60%. Ive never know anyone to be convicted of using roulette computers, probably because there are enough legal jurisdictions. Besides a proper computer doesnt leave enough evidence for taxpayer funded prosecution. Governments like in the uk have the view that its the casinos responsibility to protect themselves.

Laws will change eventually, but there doesnt appear to be a hurry. Casinos lose more from collusion and their own staff than computers.

[Kattila]

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You arent understanding random. Random is all over the place. Sometimes it looks disorderly, ie 34,2,19,12,33,7

Sometimes it looks like there are pattern, like: 33,1,33,1,19,1

And you're forgetting the above two sequences will happen the same amount of times over the long term.

Your idea is shortsighted. You dont know if random is going to look like patterns you expect, patterns someone else expects, or do something completely different. It's random. And you're still stuck with random accuracy.

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Your examples,

34       a
2         b
19       a
12       b
33       a
7         b

and

33       a
1         b
33       a
1         b
19       a
1         b

Both are patterns don t you see ? You see only random because you want , but there is also the
order in groups.
I don t care if the above two sequences will happen the same amount of times over the long term,
because next time when will happen that numbers will be in Other Groups of numbers and maybe
in that pattern or other pattern. This are dynamic  bets  not fixed ones.

Interesting that you AP and VB people can use the past data in order to win,  but when we the
system players use it  .... have no value !?             



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Blah blah. Of course they're independent. You can put them in whatever groups you want, but it's a fairytale. The wheel doesnt give a crap what groups you put numbers in.

Yes its blah blah to you and others. Because you don't understand it. If these kinds of approaches worked, there would be consistent winners everywhere. So blah blah until your accounts deplete. It's not my money.
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I don t give a crap what wheel give , more random better for me ..... Sometimes can catch me , yes , but most of the
times  not. 

happy winnings no matter how win....

[Steve]

Kattila, you're full of shit. There are only the patterns you think you see. They dont continue and dont give you any change in accuracy. Saying random is good for you is saying nothing changing is good for you. But you aren't experienced enough to know what you've said.

I'm not interested in debating the point. Go and win money.

[Firefox]

Interesting that you AP and VB people can use the past data in order to win,  but when we the
system players use it  .... have no value !?

VB does not use past number data to win. It uses the properties of the current spin such as wheel speed, ball deceleration, and ball position.

The only past data needed is scatter plot and strike plot. These are not number data but physical properties of the wheel. They can be determined by physical experiment over hundreds of spins.

I hope you can understand how this is totally different to looking at the marquee and betting on repeats and uniques.

If you still can't see it, ask yourself does the casino provide scatter plots and diamond strike plots for the visual players in the same way they provide a marquee for system players? Why would they be trying to encourage one kind of player and trying to thwart or ban the VB player?

[Steve]

Even if it's right in their face, some people never understand. I'm not sure why. It's not like it's complicated.

[Firefox]

Even if it's right in their face, some people never understand. I'm not sure why. It's not like it's complicated.

Well,  I think it is like religion to some people and they find it difficult to accept another view.

Rather them listening to you or me they should perhaps look at what casinos are doing. Casinos are professional organisations whose goal is profit.

If you or I showed up and made clear what we were doing, we'd be shown the door or thwarted. And that's even if we weren't winning at the time.

If a system player turned up, they'd be welcomed with open arms, be given free food and drink and encouraged to bet more.

That's the most telling evidence they can look at, if they can't grasp the maths.

[Proofreaders2000]

Respectfully, not all system players get the 'Red Carpet' treatment

[Proofreaders2000]

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[Still]

Even if it's right in their face, some people never understand. I'm not sure why. It's not like it's complicated.

The only way to beat the casinos is with dice influence.   This was proven on Star Trek, right in front of everybody's face,  by Data, who taught me everything i need to know. 

Notice Jeb Bush as the low energy stick man.