Stragedy

[Andre Chass]

Are you guys still here?
Go home!
There's no system, strategy or money management that can beat roulette long term.
You can't beat the game even using computers or VB.
Nowadays the wheels are very modern and the dealers use devices to accelerate and decelerate the wheel. It's impossible to know where the ball will hit.

Stop wasting your time, you money and your mental health.

Sorry

[Bigbroben]

Did you just lose some money?

[Loc]

Another guy claims that Steve is a liar, loser, crazy idiot, and a mo** scam man.. Because that what you are saying, especially posting it on his forum, knowing that he sells working roulette computers and JAA (if you claim that you can't win, then it's a dirty scam, isn't it?).
I never trust losers, i don't even talk much with them, so if there is no way to win, you should call the police, and Steve should be jailed for all his lies. 


Ps. 1k+ posts, another guy 2k+ posts, 5k+, and you didn't learn nothing...

[Proofreaders2000]

Andre consider getting a team together.  There are
enough people on here to help you create a plan of action.

(It would not hurt to ask around)

[Steve]

There's no system, strategy or money management that can beat roulette long term.

Youre still inexperienced.

You can't beat the game even using computers or VB.

Bullshit. My computers beat almost every wheel.

Nowadays the wheels are very modern and the dealers use devices to accelerate and decelerate the wheel.

You mean RRS, which is still very rare. And even if its used, it will typically halve an edge. So it turns 50% edge into 25%. Again thats in the very unlikely case thats what you play, and its all you can play.

[Andre Chass]

If anyone has a winning strategy prove it.  Steve is paying 100,000 as a reward.  If you  own a winning strategy you should be in the casinos winning thousands or millions, not here in this forum waisting time.

There are a lot of bettors here on this forum thinking they have the HG playing repeaters, hot numbers, non hit, etc ... And Steve says that it's me who is the guy inexperienced ... lol

If Steve's computers really beat the roulette wheel he would not be wasting his precious time here either.  He would now be on his yacht enjoying life with his family in Australia.

Steve could beat roulette wheel ten or twenty years ago when the wheels were not as sophisticated as they are today.  Nowadays the wheels are built with an absurdly sophisticated technology.  There is no longer any way to know in which sector of the wheel the ball will land.

If you disagree with me, prove by showing everyone here videos of your computers in action. I've never known anyone in this forum who uses computers to beat roulette.

All the best!

PS: I don't play roulette anymore. Just baccarat

[Loc]

I wonder what are you doing here then? You have the problem, you are a loser, with stupid thinking. I am sure Steve did make millions, and he don't have to work, and go to some shitty jobs like other people do. Just because this forum is full of retards using some betting crap that only lose your money, doesn't mean no one wins. People like them and you, can't understand that, why you even compare betting vs physical system? You are just a frustrated poor guy, with 1k + posts and shit in his head. Your problem is the mentality you just show, so please leave or change.

[Steve]

Andre, before i address your post, tell us. Exactly what experience do you have with roulette computers? None, right?

[Robbert]

Under the right conditions, i THINK i have a edge.

I dont know for sure, but when the conditions are right my sectors hit.
And i use dealers signature.

Still need to find the right money managment...

[Roulettebeater]

Andre has been always a very sincere !

Guys be careful that gambling can lead to severe problems

[Firefox]

Very few wheels are fitted with RRS, magnetic deceleration which slows down the rotor. They are mainly on automatic or online machines, not live dealer. I don't think they would be accepted by punters in B&M games and may well lead to a decrease in revenue. That remains to be seen though. They have been around for some time and take up seems minimal.

[Steve]

From the players I've known, both APs and system players, many players don't trust auto wheels, or any wheel capable of adjusting the game outcome. The lost trust means lost casino revenue.

That led to the development of RRS, so the wheels LOOK normal, but there is still manipulation. But a growing number of players are noticing, which is one reason RRS isnt widespread.

The first and best line of defense for casinos against APs is surveillance - to detect APs and deal with them as they are found. But that alone is very difficult, if the player/team is well-organized and doesn't get too greedy.

Andre, you didn't answer my question so I'll address your post anyway.

If Steve's computers really beat the roulette wheel he would not be wasting his precious time here either.

I know billionaires and even presidents that waste time on Twitter. You're making rather big assumptions.

He would now be on his yacht enjoying life with his family in Australia.

I don't really like boats, although I do like the water. Bora Bora is my favorite place. I've done and continue to do well. Places like Bora Bora are one of my passions.

I could show "traces of wealth" but how would you know the success had anything to do with roulette? You don't. In fact most of my income doesnt come from anything related to roulette. I tell people find out about what counts. Just like when people say "oh I heard your computers are a scam", my response is basically "see a demo on any wheel you want and find out instead of believing shit you read".

Probably hundreds of clowns over the years, with poor understanding of reality, have suggested I send them proof of wealth to prove my computers work. That's something a scammer would do, or an adolescent would ask for. The reality is even if I did that, it would prove nothing about what actually matters. The request is in part due to eggheaded claims from desperate people that I'm broke and living in a homeless area. I once did a $50k cash count video to make fun at the idiot who counted a fraction of this in a video to scam people, and then he said I couldnt do it. Then published the video. It would have been much more except you need to actually book with banks when you make a large cash withdrawal, and it all gets reported. It was time wasted on morons. It didn't add to my credibility in the eyes of anyone who focuses on what counts.

If success was a measure of the effectiveness of my roulette computers, I could make the proof pretty clear. But the fact is the people with money who are serious about my computers look past all the bullshit, and focus on what counts. They look past all hype, all the bullshit lies about me, past everything except for seeing the computers for themselves. These are the people with brains of their own, who I appreciate and have mutual respect.

Anyway if you could get an edge of at least 20% AND bet in time for at least half of the roulette wheels in the world, how long do you think it would take you to earn enough money to be comfortable?

How much would you need to earn before you think maybe it's enough now?

I'm not a billionaire, but millions, no problem. It shouldn't be a big deal. I could easily at any time push harder, but I have enough. From the perspective of inexperienced or less fortunate people, they think I must be making billions and making casinos broke -- OR my computers must not work.  While I'm fortunate enough to be in this position, there are downsides. You get lazy. And choices you make means your bills aren't $50. They are like $50,000. And that's what keeps you going. To the point where I've had enough. I feel like I'm wasting my time, which is more valuable than money. And that's why I'm selling my company. It doesn't include the forum. 20 years of roulette is enough. I have other businesses I'm pursuing. I'll still be around though, like nothing here is going to change. I will always have a strong personal interest in roulette.

Steve could beat roulette wheel ten or twenty years ago when the wheels were not as sophisticated as they are today.

Actually the designs are basically identical to what they were 20 years ago. There are some minor changes but nothing substantial. You need to understand it is much, much harder to design a wheel that produces truly unpredictable spins, than it is to have slight prediction accuracy.

Technology like RRS is capable of doing it (although it usually only halves edge), but as explained above it ends up costing casinos more. Like in Europe, roulette is more profitable for casinos than in the USA. One of the key reasons is the USA has faster rotors, in attempt to stop AP. Depending on the wheel and ball, it makes AP harder for approaches like VB and computers, but it makes roulette less appealing for the average player. It's something Steve Forte mentioned in his book too.

AP is like a double edge sword. You can predict the correct sector if everything is right. Or you can AVOID the winning sector if you make mistakes, which gives a strong negative edge. And countermeasures are a double edge sword too. There's a never-ending cat and mouse game between APs and casino game equipment manufacturers.

If you disagree with me, prove by showing everyone here videos of your computers in action. I've never known anyone in this forum who uses computers to beat roulette.

Sure I could do that. I have lots of videos showing everything from start to finish. Literally the video running while players set up in a hotel room, then walking to the wheel, setting up the computer, the whole thing including bets and payouts. But I'm not showing it here to prove a point. Any serious player can easily see such videos in private, as part of the proof of my claims. But that alone shouldn't be considered "sold proof". How do you know i'm not just showing you the best videos? The reason I show these videos to players in private is not so they know my computers work - it's more so they see how all the parts fit together, and how it is all actually used. For example, how the auto-aiming cameras work.

But as far as proof is concerned (proof of "accuracy"), better proof is testing on any wheel you want, with spins I'm seeing for the first time ever.

You can have your beliefs about roulette being impossible to beat. It is really, really easy to prove otherwise. Even if you did something simple like assessed scatter, you'd know roulette is far from unbeatable.

[ati]

I don't really like boats

I'm surprised. Isn't that a staircase of a yacht on your avatar?

[Steve]

It's an over-water villa in Bora Bora. To be technical I do like boats, but it's really the water I like.

[Roulettebeater]

Bora bora looks very nice but it’s too far for the majority of us herein Europe ... the Maldives is nearer !