Stragedy

[Steve]

They are much the same. Difference is asian vs french influence and the food. For some reason, the locals seem really relaxed.

[Badger]

Steve, how would I know if my local casino has RRS?

[Steve]

Time the rotor revolutions, chart the timings, find the deceleration rate and you'll see if its natural deceleration. So you need some timing software. Or you could record video and test at home.

Still you can notice it without tools if you see enough spins. It is unlikely youll ever play on such a wheel.

I can show how my computers do it if theres enough interest. It has an in built feature to see actual vs predicted rotor movement.

[The General]

The RRS systems are a joke.  Much like the self leveling wheels.  They can also create bias.  They're a gimmick.

The reason is that dealers wave off no more bets so late in most casinos that the subtle changes in the rotor speed are insignificant.  When the changes are significant enough, then you can perceive the slowing and simply adjust for it the moment that you see it if you're betting late.

[Steve]

The self-leveling technology is a "good try". They would be good if wheels were physically perfect, but they're not. So they can be better for APs. See below:

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They often make wheels easier to beat. They sound high-tech and great for casinos because they automatically level wheels to reduce "dominant diamonds". This is supposed to make spins less predictable. But the reality is different.

Dominant diamonds are caused by ball track deformations as much as tilt. If a dominant diamond occurs due to ball track deformations, you could observe every spin and carefully adjust the wheel to even out the spread of diamond hits (like an auto leveling system). This attempts to compensate for ball track deformations, which actually puts the wheel on an artificial tilt rather than leveling it.

The effect is that when the ball falls in certain regions, the bounce is more predictable. This has virtually the same effect as a dominant diamond, except the casino is lured into believing their level wheel is less predictable.

The below images explain further for two drop-points, but the effect applies to all drop points. Basically level or not, if the ball track has imperfections (which they almost always do), the ball will fall in a slightly different way, and affect the predictability of the bounce (F = where the ball falls, and B = where the ball bounces/ Blue is one fall point, and yellow is the other). Notice how the scatter is tighter and more predictable for blue. See below:



Some of the differences in ball fall may be the part of the diamond hit, the speed at which the ball falls, and the trajectory of the ball when it hits the rotor.

Another effect of trying to correct a wheel with deformed ball track is, in particularly on slow rotors, you can estimate rotor orientation at the end of the spin and exploit bias. The attempted correction for ball fall points makes the rotor "unlevel". And if you know rotor orientation at a critical time in the spin, you've got a good chance of an edge because the ball will favor certain regions. This is because the ball will naturally more likely come to rest in the lower part of the rotor. See below:

[Firefox]

You can clock rotor at beginning of spin. Then clock rotor at end of spin. If there is an appreciable change eg 3 secs per rev to 4 secs per rev you know it's got RRS. You don't need to bet while you test this. You can avoid playing it altogether if you want.


A wheel in good condition will slow negligably over the course of a 15 or 20 second spin. On my wheel, I can give a hard spin and it will still be rotating 30 mins later, albeit slowly. It shows how well wheels are made and balanced.

I think the Cammegh system has 3 levels of random deceleration. 65%, 75%, or 85%. But basically it's altering the course of the spin with an electro magnetic brake. Many players are very suspicious of juice joints or dealer manipulation. If they see this kind of wheel I know many people who would not play on it. The casinos would lose revenue I'm sure.

[Andre Chass]

Wow, so Steve is a millionaire that like to sell roulette computers and wasting his time on this forum.
Just as Trump on Twitter...lol
What a joke!
Wake up guys!

[Steve]

Why is being a millionaire so difficult to comprehend? Is it because you aren't?

Why is it so hard to believe other people can beat roulette? Because you cant?

You know very little about my life. Most of my income has nothing to do with roulette. I could do even better with roulette, but why do I need to? It would mostly involve organizing more private teams, but that also means more work. I'm not desperate for money like most people are. I do very well from roulette, but I have said many times it's not the easiest way to make money (mainly because of casino surveillance). But I can easily beat almost every wheel in real casinos, from home, while sitting in my pajamas. I know it sounds outrageous, but you'd know this to be reality if you did better research.

Rather than focus on my life, focus on the technology. Nobody with experience in VB and AP would think my claims are outlandish. Your problem Andre is you really don't know.

[Andre Chass]

Gambling Wisdom of the Week: If you are looking to cheat the house or beat it legitimately, forget about roulette. It's basically a sucker's game. â€" Mario Puzo

[Loc]

Gambling Wisdom of the Week: If you are looking to cheat the house or beat it legitimately, forget about roulette. It's basically a sucker's game. â€" Mario Puzo

Andre, you have an issue, you are an ignorant loser, and that's what you say, because nothing else you have, just complaining.
Let's talk if you want, i am wondering what could change your mind? I think even a video is not much, i guess the best thing would be if you fly to the guy's house, and he would give you 50% from his wins, and say "Nothing happened, i will win it back ", then maybe you would change your mind, but something like this will not happened.

[Steve]

Like i said Andre:

Your problem Andre is you really don't know.

You know so little, you'll quote someone with similarly no experience, who was just upset for losing $10,000. You really need to pull your head out.

Do you actually have something to support your claims roulette is unbeatable? NO. Just quotes from other people with no idea. Can I and other people prove you've got no idea? Yes, absolutely. Again who needs to wake up?

[Roulettebeater]

Andre, you have an issue, you are an ignorant loser, and that's what you say, because nothing else you have, just complaining.
Let's talk if you want, i am wondering what could change your mind? I think even a video is not much, i guess the best thing would be if you fly to the guy's house, and he would give you 50% from his wins, and say "Nothing happened, i will win it back ", then maybe you would change your mind, but something like this will not happened.

Stop writing bs, Andre is an experienced player, he has spent years, he is also member of this forum longer than you...he is delusional about roulette because it’s game with unfair odds and sometimes manipulated by casinos... the majority of people will lose  ..may I ask you this question ? what you contributed yet ? Nothing...

[Roulettebeater]

Steve

I believe in physics but computers can’t win always ... they are very hard to hide ... their price is too much ... I understand you are a sales man and trying selling them so you must tell only good things but the reality isn’t like that ...

[Steve]

Andre is an experienced player

He most certainly is not. Experience with losing systems doesnt count.

computers can’t win always

No, not always. But almost every wheel is close enough.

they are very hard to hide

Huh? No they arent. Someone could be using them right next to you and you wouldnt have a clue. And some versions are just the phone - nothing else. Even if the player was strip searched, and the phone pulled apart, nothing would be found.

their price is too much

Price is justified. And besides serious teams who join my teams dont pay me anything up-front.

I understand you are a sales man

It's one thing I do. WHY I sell them is explained on my site. Basically there are too many casinos for my private teams, so I license some computers.

so you must tell only good things but the reality isn’t like that

I explain the good and the bad. I'm very honest and open about my technology. I often tell people not to rely on anything I or anyone says. Words are words. So I tell people rely on what they see in demos, and whatever tests they want to do. If that means sitting and watching live video of a real casino session, or aiming a webcam at any wheel they want, no problem.

Please do better research before speaking about this.

[Loc]

Stop writing bs, Andre is an experienced player, he has spent years, he is also member of this forum longer than you...he is delusional about roulette because it’s game with unfair odds and sometimes manipulated by casinos... the majority of people will lose  ..may I ask you this question ? what you contributed yet ? Nothing...

Andre is delusional poor loser, with stupid thinking, and no skill to use what he knows.
If you could know what i know, and what i am gonna do, you would never say that, but say wtf you want, it has nothing to do with reality.
I don't care how much time he is here, he is talking bullshit like you, both 2k posts, and the best you do is "Roulette is a devils game! It will ruin your life, mommy!". You are just unable to use what you got here, that's it.

Ps. You look at your buddy with "years of practice", ye.. Don't watch what foolishness is he saying, look at his "years" of practice, that's what stupid buddies do, instead of looking at logical things, not who said it.