Kitchen Martingale

[Let Me Win]

Double street 2.7‰

Mongoose EC 1.35‰

Is the most obvious difference.

[Kav]

Stop the nonsense. Your numbers don't apply to European or American roulette. Learn the basics. The house edge is the house edge. Stop playing imaginary games you want to call roulette.

[Let Me Win]

Excuse me?

I thought that all roulette experts knew about the La Partage rule.

As it only applies to EC bets and lowers the house advantage to 1.35‰ from 2.7‰ it makes no sense to play double streets.

It's like saying betting 3 double streets is the same as betting red or black.

[Kav]

99,9% of roulette games don't have this rule. Stop screwing the facts. La Partage doesn't apply to American or European roulette, only French, which is a minority even in France.

Well, I have written the most detailed article on the web about this issue.  Search "american vs european vs french" and my article is featured in Google Snippets above everything else. Stop making a fool of yourself. You'd know this if you actually played roulette in a real casino. You take an exception and make it a rule.

So in your opinion 3 Double streets are not the same as Red or Black. Ok, good luck...

[Let Me Win]

The only time someone should bet a double street is if they are betting double dozens.

Then they can bet 3 chips on either High or Low and 1 chip on a six line to create the same bet but with La Partage insurance in case the green goblin appeared.

[Let Me Win]

I live in the UK every land based casino has this rule.

How many land based casinos in the UK?

Also many online wheels offer this rule too.
Google can find them for you.

Good luck fighting against 2.7‰ I will fight against 1.35‰ thanks.

[Joe]

I can send you an excel programmed with Mongoose too if you need. Sir, you are supposed to be a programmer... 

Kav, I didn't say I couldn't code it, I said it's not "super simple" to code (which it isn't, compared to the system in your video).

Then, you don't understand the relation between the Mongoose and a DoubleStreet bet. Ok, let me explain: The mongoose has the same probability of winning as a DoubleStreet bet 6/37 and the same payout as a Double Street bet 5:1. As successful Mongoose wins 5 units and a lost Mongoose progression loses 1 unit. Any graph representing the Mongoose progression (as a whole) Bankroll fluctuation, W-L chart etc. is indiscernible from a Double bet chart. All relevant statistics are the same.

No, it's not the same as a DS and the stats and characteristics will not be the same. This is because a DS bet will return 5 units on a single win, but the mongoose is an EC bet and so requires multiple wins to achieve the same result. You might as well create an EC bet based on the mongoose principles which returns 35 units on a successful coup, and then say it's no different than betting a single number.

I though you recommended that system, you should have known how it works. Anyway, I'm here to help with any other questions you may have and improve your understanding of the system you recommended as your favourite system.

Once again you're misrepresenting me because I have never said that the mongoose is my favourite system, and I never even recommended it; I just said it's better (or, more interesting) than the progression used in your video.

And I don't much like the flowchart you posted. It's not very clear; why didn't you use the standard flowchart symbols (diamonds for IF-THEN)? Furthermore, it only shows how to play one coup and doesn't include the full progression.

[Joe]

BTW, Kav, I think you got the algorithm from Atlantis' post here :

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4339.0

Credit where credit's due.    Thanks Atlantis.

Kav, I've noticed you have a habit of appropriating other's work and passing it off as your own.

[Kav]

No, it's not the same as a DS and the stats and characteristics will not be the same. This is because a DS bet will return 5 units on a single win, but the mongoose is an EC bet and so requires multiple wins to achieve the same result.

That's why this is called the "Mongoose" and not "Bet on Red"
The Mongoose is a very specific progression that produces very specific results. It is NOT an EC bet, it is a Progression of EC bets and should be taken as a whole.

Gambling statistics 101

[Kav]

BTW, Kav, I think you got the algorithm from Atlantis' post here :
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4339.0
Credit where credit's due.    Thanks Atlantis.

My dear Joe, there are many many posts about the Mongoose. If you were more well educated about roulette you would have known.... or just do a Google search  Atlantis was not the inventor of Mongoose nor the first one who posted about it in the forums. I don't even know who was the first who mentioned it.

[Joe]

Kav, a search of "Mongoose Progression" on Google returns Atlantis' post here at the top of the list. The 3rd link down is a post by TheCaviarKid on betselection.cc. He attaches an excel sheet in his post - that's the one you offered to send me, I assume? 

link:s://betselection.cc/money-management/the-30-step-mongoose-mongrel-mm-strategy/

Thanks to TheCaviarKid (not Kav). 

[Kav]

Btw, we are launching a video on Masaniello, and point to a .zip with related files to download. Do you want to include your program to the zip with the related files?

[Let Me Win]

Very old and disappointing method.
You lose all your BKR if in 20 spins there are exactly 10 Reds and 10 Blacks.
Probability:17,62%
Too high.....

[Joe]

Btw, we are launching a video on Masaniello, and point to a .zip with related files to download. Do you want to include your program to the zip with the related files?

Yes, that's ok.

[Joe]

Not a bad video but it would have been nice if you had told viewers what the chance is of losing 100 units, rather than just saying "it happens quite often". I tell you what the probability is on my site and LMW has posted it above. The chance of making ~20 units is 82.4% and so the probability of losing 100 units is 100 - 82.4 = 17.6%.