Kitchen Martingale

[Joe]

Kav, there isn't even a bet selection, the system is just a progression on the even chances, and not a particularly good one. There are many better, for example the mongoose progression.

Simplicity is not a virtue because how can a simple system hope to compete with random outcomes, which are very complex?

[luckyfella]

Simplicity is not a virtue because how can a simple system hope to compete with random outcomes, which are very complex?

If only people understand what they are up against.

[Joe]

It seems most people don't.

[Kav]

Kav, there isn't even a bet selection

Oh! You criticize something you haven't spent a few minutes to understand what it is. Great! In the first 3 minutes of the video it describes not one but two bet selections. The original one by Harryj (cold EC) and the presenter's one (hot EC). So there is a bet selection method.

The mongoose progression, huh? Can you please explain why is it better to play the mongoose than just betting on a doublestreet? Same chances, same payout. Complicated without a reason.

Whatever...

[Kav]

So this is the best progression you know? The... amazing mongoose progression has been coded by ignatus and here are the results:

[Joe]

So this is the best progression you know? The... amazing mongoose progression has been coded by ignatus and here are the results:

Kav, for comparison, you should also code your system and show its results - and no cherry picking!

And I didn't say it's the best progression I know. In truth, progressions are given more attention than they deserve; the priority should be bet selection. No progression can make up for a crap bet selection.

You said :

The bet selection is up to you

This means that the system itself consists of a progression, and the bet selection mentioned in the video is no better than betting continuously on red. Waiting for virtual losses doesn't make any difference.

[luckyfella]

Kav, for comparison, you should also code your system and show its results - and no cherry picking!

The graph will look equally bad ?

Where is steve ?

[Joe]

Every progression will produce the same negative trend if played mindlessly without a good bet selection. Objectively and ultimately they are all the same, but some can be more interesting than others. I guess it's a matter of opinion what is "interesting" though. IMO the mongoose is more interesting than Kav's progression, as is the one posted by LMW in this thread:

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=26289.15

[Let Me Win]

IGNATUS  did not produce code for playing the Mongoose on RX.

His code is completely wrong and does not play the Mongoose correctly.

[Let Me Win]

If I dumped a load of chips all over the table randomly then wherever they landed I could then call this the Let Me Win bet and publish it all over the Internet making out I'm an expert on Roulette then I could keep people waiting a decade before publishing the staking plan in an ebook and selling it for â,¬350

Reminds me of the nonsense that is the Kav bet.

[Joe]

His code is completely wrong and does not play the Mongoose correctly.

Well I did wonder about that because Mongoose is a complex progression.

If I dumped a load of chips all over the table randomly then wherever they landed I could then call this the Let Me Win bet and publish it all over the Internet making out I'm an expert on Roulette then I could keep people waiting a decade before publishing the staking plan in an ebook and selling it for â,¬350

LOL, yes Kav is a good at marketing. Some of his vids are fun to watch but they are very misleading.

[Kav]

Joe,

Mongoose is super simple to program. Just a few IF THEN.
IMO the only good thing about the Mongoose is that it is simple. Otherwise it is a complex way to achieve the same payout as the Double-street by playing the Simple Chances. I can not see even remotely any difference between Mongoose and a Double-street bet.
So far none has posted an Simple Chances system or progression that he thinks is better than Kitchen Martingale.
It seems to me that most people here think "systems are useless" which IMO is sad. Of course it is your right to think that it is sad to think that a system is better than throwing your chips randomly upon the roulette table.

Let Me Win (Blue Angel),
Please keep harassing me, just spell my name correctly. The more awareness you create about me, the more people will realize that I know what I'm talking about.

[Let Me Win]

Yes, it looks like you realise what you're talking about.

Over a decade of roulette experience and your best proposal is that we all play a martingale.

The only reason you're even here is because your own forum is completely dead with just dumb and dumber (MickeyP and Mr Perfect) remaining.

[Joe]

Mongoose is super simple to program. Just a few IF THEN.
IMO the only good thing about the Mongoose is that it is simple. Otherwise it is a complex way to achieve the same payout as the Double-street by playing the Simple Chances. I can not see even remotely any difference between Mongoose and a Double-street bet.

Super simple to program? ok then, let's see your code. And the progression is for ECs so I don't know why you are saying it's no different to a double-street bet.

[Kav]

Super simple to program? ok then, let's see your code. And the progression is for ECs so I don't know why you are saying it's no different to a double-street bet.

Yes mate it is super simple to program. You don't have to see my code, you just have to understand this simple Flowchart:


I can send you an excel programmed with Mongoose too if you need. Sir, you are supposed to be a programmer... 

Then, you don't understand the relation between the Mongoose and a DoubleStreet bet. Ok, let me explain: The mongoose has the same probability of winning as a DoubleStreet bet 6/37 and the same payout as a Double Street bet 5:1. As successful Mongoose wins 5 units and a lost Mongoose progression loses 1 unit. Any graph representing the Mongoose progression (as a whole) Bankroll fluctuation, W-L chart etc. is indiscernible from a Double bet chart. All relevant statistics are the same.

I though you recommended that system, you should have known how it works. Anyway, I'm here to help with any other questions you may have and improve your understanding of the system you recommended as your favourite system.