Is roulette spins truly random ?

[Kav]

If Steve is correct as you said twice, then you are wrong.
You can't have it both ways.

[luckyfella]

If Steve is correct as you said twice, then you are wrong.
You can't have it both ways.

First off I am glad some experienced members participate to post their views. Thank you

Kav's post is very important and spot on correct. It is what it is.

I took steve's statement to represent the point of discussion, that is

Is roulette spins independent, future spins have no connection or relation whatsoever with past spins ?

If you believe in that future spins is independent of past spins, then there can be no possibility to predict.

If you can somehow predict future spins in whatever manner then future spins is not independent rather dependent of past spins.

Like Kav wrote you can't have it both ways, they can't co-exist. That's fact. You have to get this right, if you're wrong correct yourself stop this error today. Start afresh with the correct facts.

[luckyfella]

Up to this stage of discussion it becomes clear that this important point of dependency must exist for any chance of prediction.

It must be known from here that we don't "create" this dependency with this and that. That's wrong thinking.

It already exist naturally in roulette spin outcomes or not.

If dependency exist, our job is to find it.

[luckyfella]

For the math boyz, the math clearly and indisputably show that roulette spins are independent and the outcomes unbias(somewhat), that means roulette spins are random.

If this is true then there is no case for prediction. Don't kid yourself.

This proposal to "find" this element of dependency is a fools errand. Stop showing your stupidity. Ok ignorance.

[luckyfella]

Before I continue, I must declare I make no reference to any system posted on this forum. I don't make any direct reference to any poster.

My intention is purely to discuss the subject matter. Lets be clear about this.

Feel free to write your thoughts but be prepared that challenges will come your way if you got it wrong. It's not personal, don't take it the wrong way.

[gizmotron2]

First off I am glad some experienced members participate to post their views. Thank you

Kav's post is very important and spot on correct. It is what it is.

I took steve's statement to represent the point of discussion, that is

Is roulette spins independent, future spins have no connection or relation whatsoever with past spins ?

If you believe in that future spins is independent of past spins, then there can be no possibility to predict.

If you can somehow predict future spins in whatever manner then future spins is not independent rather dependent of past spins.

Like Kav wrote you can't have it both ways, they can't co-exist. That's fact. You have to get this right, if you're wrong correct yourself stop this error today. Start afresh with the correct facts.

You are 100% right and so is Kav. Only problem I have is that after stating the obvious you both make an assumption that is not right. You are both saying that it can't be both ways. That is right too. It is only one way. Prediction is never the correct way to use patterns, trends, or both. I don't suggest that it is somehow used. You don't need it. It takes eyes being opened how I do it. But the best part is that you are both right.

Just for the sake of conversation I wonder if anyone that doesn't already know it here can answer what is the trick to using trends, patterns, and domination to beat the casino. Just thought I would ask as this is a good conversation.

[gizmotron2]

Up to this stage of discussion it becomes clear that this important point of dependency must exist for any chance of prediction.

It must be known from here that we don't "create" this dependency with this and that. That's wrong thinking.

It already exist naturally in roulette spin outcomes or not.

If dependency exist, our job is to find it.

In a few words, dependency does not exist. Don't waste your time looking for it.

[gizmotron2]

For the math boyz, the math clearly and indisputably show that roulette spins are independent and the outcomes unbias(somewhat), that means roulette spins are random.

If this is true then there is no case for prediction. Don't kid yourself.

This proposal to "find" this element of dependency is a fools errand. Stop showing your stupidity. Ok ignorance.

I agree 100% and sometimes we must be stupid before we get smarter. I can't imagine a way for dependency to exist.

[luckyfella]

Lets continue.

We are caught in a tricky situation.

The math say independent and unbias.

If that's the case why are you searching for dependency ?

Have you gone mad ?
Or simply stupid ?
Or ignorant ?

But what if there exist dependency

Aren't we not stupid that we don't search for it ?

Hello, did you read or do you have comprehension difficulty that roulette outcomes are independent and unbias ?
Isn't it plain stupid to search for something that don't exist ?

That's the kind of conversation that lock horns on every forum. People on both sides bickering forever and ever come the next thousand years and beyond.

[gizmotron2]

That's the kind of conversation that lock horns on every forum. People on both sides bickering forever and ever come the next thousand years and beyond.

You are so right. That is why I decided to end it and wreck everything. I mean wreck it by telling a small few how to beat a casino and make the mathBoyz idiots all at the same time.  You learn it, you keep it to yourselves a little, and you exploit it. In the process of teaching it and sharing it I faced these same locked horn types. But then people start to listen a little. Then they get to the meat and potatoes of it. Then the trolls swarm at or near the end.

You do know where it is don't you?

[luckyfella]

I hope readers see the nature of the problem with this subject about independent spins.

The are people who know via math that spins are independent, so no effort spent in searching for something that don't exist.

There are people who declare that spins are independent at the same time they are deeply involve in system strategies which is premised on that spins are dependent - opposite of their declaration.

There is this huge group who ofc believe in the predictability of spins, therefore by extension believe that that spins are not independent.

There is still a larger group whose believe is guided by the majority so they believe in not independent.

There is the extreme end who cannot believe no matter what that spins are independent. Roulette is their hope and this hope must not die.

Ofc we all know what the non-gamblers believe.

[luckyfella]

So, the nature of independent spins must require you to challenge this independent status.

You have to understand this.

The difficult part is the way the problem is set up.

Spins are independent, so what is your proof or at least a conceptual basis why you would even think that spins are independent ?

The answer is,

Sorry sir, I can't offer any proof right now. You know I don't have the proof. So why mock me by asking for proof ?
I have a personal calling so I follow my gut. Meanwhile stfu.

Now, leave me in peace that I willingly spend some time of my life to search for dependency of spins. Is that a crime ? Call me a fool, stupid if you must. I already know that but I still want to go search for it - fools gold.

[luckyfella]

For starters, you have to dare to dream.

Dream alone counts for nothing.
Commitment and hard work follows.
You know the drill.

You have to be brave to put up your hand to identify yourself, say

"I am the idiot, yes ME, who believe such a ridiculous thing that roulette spins are not independent. I am stupidly committed to put in the work to find this dependency. So stupid shall I be."

This is not a motivational post.

It is what it is. Reality.

[gizmotron2]

This topic seems to be dependency on past spins in order to predict future spins. I don't see the connection to asking if roulette spins are random. But that is off topic at this point.

Rather than going on and on ad nauseam. Let's put some light out there.

The search is not for prediction. The search is for mastering coincidence. These are things that have no connection to anything.

[luckyfella]

Ofc, the clever ones knows the fact that roulette spins are independent.
They have their right to throw the math fact at you. And to challenge your stupidity. Make no mistake, they are right.

It's up to you to prove they are not exactly right.
Remember, prove it to yourself.
Don't be stupid. Dont be delusional.

Don't live another mans live,
You live yours, and
If you believe in the commitment to search for something that theoretically do not exist, contradict current knowledge of known and proven facts.
Don't ever back down.
Their views do not matter, counts for nothing.
You already knew that.
You are looking beyond the boundaries of current knowledge and facts.
That's your adventure.
Live it, go do it.

Most important,

Be prepared to fail, most likely you will fail.

***It's important I write it in it's full descriptive form for readers to understand the exact and complete form and nature of the matter at hand.