Is roulette spins truly random ?

[Andre Chass]

Roulette doesn't give a damn about past spins. 
Repeaters, singles, non hits, trends, etc are just in your heads. 
Also VB is not useful because nowadays roulette wheels are very modern and there is no way to know which sector the ball will hit. 
Computers are prohibited in casinos and do not guarantee that you will make a profit. 
Anyway, if you want to make money, playing roulette is the least suitable for that.  Period.

[gizmotron2]

Repeaters, singles, non hits, trends, etc are just in your heads. 

You are right. Trends don't exist because of a force to be discovered. They are a figment of your imagination because they don't have a connection to each other because of independence. But they do have form in that you can see them in a properly constructed chart. They are meaningless form. The point of this is to ask if you can use them. Is there a way to use meaningless forms? I decided to get past the fact they are meaningless and learned how to use them. They only exist because of coincidence.

[luckyfella]

In your brave motivated quest it is important to count the cost.

Everything you want, desire there is a cost you pay to get it.

Your time, your work, your sacrifices, your life.

Your quest becomes your life.
It consumes you.

You estimate probably 2-5years of hard work will get you there.

You are wrong.

2-5years most likely will not get you there.
5-10years will not get you there.
Not your entire lifetime.

Why ?

Because you challenge the current knowledge and facts.

You are most likely to end up a failed madman or hopelessly addicted gambler.

How far are you willing to commit ?

For something that you know is plain stupid that's bound to fail. Suicide mission.

Invert that argument premise,

Do you think if your commitment is at hobbyist level or part-time basis is good enough ?

What is good enough ?

How do we define this commitment that's required to give us a chance to succeed ?

You have to count the cost.

*** I have written a lot of aspects. Pls feel free to drop your comments whatever it may be. Lets hear from you.
May I gently remind that we respect everyones views and opinion. Thank you

[gizmotron2]

I have a person here trained in three to four weeks. He is obliterating the math and the house advantage. Someone here led him to me. I'm not real sure who is whom in all this. One month to confirmed expert is fantastic. I'm calling him an expert because he is doing better than me. I'm lazy and know that you can use little bursts of variance to get you back to recovery. It's not a good idea to play lazy. I don't think he does. I expect everyone I train to do very well. Math no longer has a chance. You don't need it. You can't use math to beat the casino. And best of all math can't prevent you from massacring the casinos.

That is the world I know exists and I have brought it to this forum for free. You don't need to take years and failure. I only came back here because someone led me back here. Learn it, ignore it, I don't care. Those that want this will make the effort if for no other reason than curiosity.

[Joe]

@ luckyfella, is there a point you're trying to make? If so, I can't see it. How about helping me out here? 

[luckyfella]

@ luckyfella, is there a point you're trying to make? If so, I can't see it. How about helping me out here? 

First I admit I erred twice in my earlier post both here and on the other thread about dependency and bias. They don't refer to the same thing.

Since I have now made the correction I move forward on this topic.

I took it slow and easy to make sure that the facts are all correct. No errors.

I'm sure you are aware of errors of facts posted here. But to move forward I cannot dwell on them.

[luckyfella]

@ luckyfella, is there a point you're trying to make? If so, I can't see it. How about helping me out here? 

From hereon, I expect readers to get their math correct thats the assumption. The discussion cannot backtrack to the basics that are wrong.

By now, my earlier posts in some way have pointed at dependency as the doorway to possible prediction.

Just to be clear bias spins is another doorway to prediction. That's more a AP strategy based on the physical attributes of cause and effect that's not the angle of discussion.

Or perhaps bias viewed from an oblique angle it's relevant.

I must make it clear, I am not santa claus who come here to give you that magic solution. No, get your expectations right.

[luckyfella]

Correct me if I am wrong there are 4 popular and huge threads that suggest dependency of spins.

1. Dyslexic pigeonhole principle,

2. RRBB derived stream,

3. Vaddi pairs,

4. TurboGenius repeaters

If I miss others out I apologise, feel free to add on the list below.

[luckyfella]

None of the OP posted details of their method.

All of them suggest dependency but none of them pointed at specific dependency that we can test to confirm if it's true and then exploit it.

Do we really expect they will post in public forum this evidence of spin dependency ?

If you ask, you are stupid or you mock with ulterior purpose to degrade their suggestion. Nobody is stupid here, we are all adults.

TurboGenius posted Parx and R-sim results.

And, YES those results should not be taken as substantiating evidence. The smart experienced forum veterans got it correct. Well done.

[luckyfella]

@ luckyfella, is there a point you're trying to make? If so, I can't see it. How about helping me out here? 

I have to ask you,

Do you want help ?

Or,

Are you looking to invalidate proposals of dependency ?

Ofc we must test to validate such proposals. We are not stupid either.

But before all that, can we examine your(anyone) attitude first ?

Everyone understand and do appreciate the scepticism but this same thing is viewed as negative that discourages any further discourse. OP just disappear from forums.

Is that a validation that he is wrong ?

[luckyfella]

@ luckyfella, is there a point you're trying to make? If so, I can't see it. How about helping me out here? 

Here is the deal.

If you expect someone post on forums the evidence of dependency of spin outcomes, you know it won't happen.

Let me state it clearly, you are asking to be handed the holy grail of this roulette game if it even exist.

Dependency is more than just about roulette, it's about the math behind random.

Do you expect someone post on such roulette forum this huge math finding ?

Can we all start to act like adults at least that we can have meaningful discussion pls ?

[gizmotron2]

This is truly a thread for the ages. The title fooled me. I interjected a kind of off topic to it in that I had no idea that this was the search for a connection to prediction where math must be right.

I'm on a different quest. So I will get off this thread in order to pursue it here at this forum, as somewhere appropriate. I'm currently destroying all known math that applies to gambling and the so called house advantage. Only in that revelation will you find a possible connection to this thread with respect that the math must be validated during a search for a connection thru dependency.

Good luck with that.

[Joe]

luckyfella, ok, that's fine, and I'm not expecting anyone to post a holy grail. But I would like to understand at least what you understand by dependence in the context of roulette, and importantly, how you would test for it. That's very important because you might believe there is dependence but if it doesn't show up in the stats, then you don't have it.

So first, can you explain what you mean by dependence, and second, how are you testing for it? (I know several ways, but I'm interested in your way).

If you want to post riddles and hints that's fine too, some people like to play that game.

[luckyfella]

Again, as reminder I only try facilitate meaningful discussion.

Lets continue.

Nobody will ever post evidence or proof of dependency. Keep asking and keep waiting. Enjoy yourself.

Now without proof to go on, for those whose gut tells them that there might exist this dependency whose existence is yet to be discovered.

Program your mindset that you ASSUME that it's there, go find it.

If you think that's a stupid assumption, good for you the smarter and wiser ones. Be on your way.

[luckyfella]

If you want to post riddles and hints that's fine too, some people like to play that game.

Joe, I have no time to play games. Zero, nada, zilch.

If you want me to stop, I stop here. No problem. End of my posting.

It's very important to me that you know I don't play games.

That's luckyfella, the real no nonsense straight talking forum member. No more.

Enjoy your forum. Cheers