New insight

[Theoldsoul]

Greetings dear ones,

This is my first post in here, I want to contribute to the collective thinking processes of this group as I have learned a lot from your work, this post will be an attempt to provide us with a new insight that may help triggering new ideas and concepts for the whole group.
Let's begin.

First we start by creating an empty table for our 37 cycle.

1
2
3
4
5
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35
36
0

Next we spin and we record the numbers in the following way:

Spin #1 : 4

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2
3
4 ( 1)
6
7
8
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We now go to excel and use randbetween(1;12) function to generate a random number from 1 to 12. ( you can use random.org if you like).

And whatever number is generated by the function we assign it in the table to our number that we just recorded from our roulette spin.

In our example Randbetween() returned # 11.

1
2
3
4 (1) (11)
5
6
7
8
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We are going to track each unique number we get from spinning the wheel and we will assign a random number from 1 to 12 to it and continue until the cycle is completed by two numbers next to each other.
See the following example:

Spin numbers : 23 - 2- 36 -2- 32 - 12 - 13

Using randbetween() assigning random (1-12) to our spun numbers  as they occur one by one, not after they have all occurred.

23 (5) -2 (11) - 36 (3) - 2 (11) - 32 (12) - 12 ( 8 ) - 13 (1)

Note that while assigning random numbers to the spun numbers you must not assign the same random (1-12) number to two different spun numbers.

Now tracking would look like this :

1
2 (2) (11)
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12 (1) (
13 (1) ( 1) (the cycle ends here)
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23 (1) (5)
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32 (1) (12)
33
34
35
36 (1) (3)
0

We have created a game within a game, our new game have 1/12 or slightly more in rare cases to win.

In our example the cycle ended in the seventh spin and the wining number was 8.


Work is needed to find the right money management strategy it should be elegant.

Work is needed to write the code in Mathematica framework or C# or python to figure out the exact statistics for the maximum limit for the cycles.

From my own observations It usually take around 9 spins on average to complete a cycle.
The winning number pays 35:1 as we bet a single number.

The limit so far is 1/12.

Best regards, The old Soul. (

[MoneyT101]

Welcome to the forum! Nice for you to join us

[MoneyT101]

In your example 36 was the 3rd spin but it also has random number 3 assigned to it.

You assigned 36 (1)(3)....Instead of 36(3)(3)

Then the rest of the spins continued assigning (1).....

[Theoldsoul]

In your example 36 was the 3rd spin but it also has random number 3 assigned to it.

You assigned 36 (1)(3)....Instead of 36(3)(3)

Then the rest of the spins continued assigning (1).....

I wrote (2) in front of number 2 in the table because it occurred twice.
The same goes for 36 I wrote (1)(3)
In front of it as to say it occurred once and 3 is the random number that is assigned to it.

Welcome to the forum! Nice for you to join us

Thank you

[6th-sense]

welcome..herby is the main mathematica guy on the forum i,m sure he can help

[Joe]

Hi theoldsoul, welcome to the forum.

I'm confused. From this :

Next we spin and we record the numbers in the following way:

Spin #1 : 4

1
2
3
4 ( 1)
6
7
8

I took it that the (1) next to the 4 indicates the spin number (the first spin), but it seems this isn't so. And I'm not sure how a cycle is defined? Perhaps you could give another example showing when and what number(s) you actually bet on?

[Blueprint]

Work is needed to write the code in Mathematica framework or C# or python to figure out the exact statistics for the maximum limit for the cycles.

Welcome.
I prefer R, but yes.  Curious why do you think we need the max limit here? 

[luckyfella]

Max limit is for designing the MM.

My guess is TOS has done the coding work to determine it to be 12.

[Blueprint]

Max limit is for designing the MM.

My guess is TOS has done the coding work to determine it to be 12.

Cool answer to a very different question.

Why would that (MM) be necessary? 

[Joe]

From my own observations It usually take around 9 spins on average to complete a cycle.
The winning number pays 35:1 as we bet a single number.

You can't expect an average payout of 35-1 on a bet which hits once every 9 spins, even the General doesn't get that on his best days. 

[MoneyT101]

Hi theoldsoul, welcome to the forum.

I'm confused. From this :

I took it that the (1) next to the 4 indicates the spin number (the first spin), but it seems this isn't so. And I'm not sure how a cycle is defined? Perhaps you could give another example showing when and what number(s) you actually bet on?

I thought the same thing.... the spin numbers.  But he said no... it’s the spin count of the number.

So if 1 shows up it’s (1)

If 1 repeats then it’s (2)

I also believe the winning of a cycle would be for a neighbor to win.

He said “by two numbers next to each other”. In the example 12 and 13 were the only numbers and he counted it as a win.

The confusing thing for me was the random number 8.  I never saw the reason for assigning random numbers.  But in his other thread he speaks of a combination bet

So I’m guessing this here is the same thing....that random number must have been in combination with a street( I think but not sure yet)

[Theoldsoul]

I thought the same thing.... the spin numbers.  But he said no... it’s the spin count of the number.

So if 1 shows up it’s (1)

If 1 repeats then it’s (2)

I also believe the winning of a cycle would be for a neighbor to win.

He said “by two numbers next to each other”. In the example 12 and 13 were the only numbers and he counted it as a win.

The confusing thing for me was the random number 8.  I never saw the reason for assigning random numbers.  But in his other thread he speaks of a combination bet

So I’m guessing this here is the same thing....that random number must have been in combination with a street( I think but not sure yet)

That is correct, there are several ways to play using this tracking approach, like I said earlier this article is designed to trigger intuition for those whom are working on figuring out a way to exploit the law of the third, cycles, repeaters and so on.

You can't expect an average payout of 35-1 on a bet which hits once every 9 spins, even the General doesn't get that on his best days. 

The average so far is 9 spins for a cycle to be completed, it may be 16 spins but in the long run the it converges to around 9 spins.

Max limit is for designing the MM.

My guess is TOS has done the coding work to determine it to be 12.

That is correct.

welcome..herby is the main mathematica guy on the forum i,m sure he can help

Thank you
I hope he may be interested to write the code for us.

[Theoldsoul]

In the next following input, I will show how to use the same tracking method described above to play smaller sample spaces, with different cycle limit.

[Blueprint]

Thinking does not allow for or create insight so let’s quit it with the thought experiments.

[Joe]

Thinking does not allow for or create insight

It does if you know how to think. 

So what, in your opinion, does create insight?