Step In To My Game

[Steve]

Money doesn’t have to make millions to prove his system works. He just have to show the math

He already said he isnt making anything significant. And his math is he isnt changing the odds, so he wins by changing his approach. He ignored the relevant questions. The arguments are empty only on one side. Maybe you arent paying attention.

[6th-sense]

You also don’t change the odds only your approach
Which is computers

[Steve]

You also don’t change the odds only your approach
Which is computers

So when computers change the odds from 1 in 37 to 1 in 20, im not changing the odds?

[6th-sense]

That’s an approach to accuracy..as you say odds are same
But that’s the whole point of the argument

Your argument is Really about accuracy

Constant accuracy to be in plus

Don’t change odds payout to suit

[Steve]

Unfortunately you dont understand the difference between odds and payout.

Odds are chance of winning.

Payout is what you're paid for wins

So tell me again Im not changing the odds. And tell me a system that doesnt change odds is not the same as random bets. While you're at it, tell me 1+1=42.

[Kav]

You want the math. You are waiting the big revelation supported by math. You are reasonable, open minded people waiting for the math that will convince you of the validity of Money's method.

Your wait is over. I will give you the math.
No matter if you connect to the cosmic energy or read patterns or deconstruct randomness.
No matter if you have studied the wise words of Dyksexlic, vaddis, turbo, Priyanka  or even Uri Geller.

I dare anyone to claim with a straight face that his bets have better odds/payout ratio than described in this attached table.
This is THE ONLY MATH YOU WILL EVER HAVE- deal with it.
And on one hand Money says "no I don't change the odds" and on the next post he says "If you already know dozen 1 will win". So does that dozen still has the same odds or you know better? Please decide. There are people here waiting for your maths... LOL

All this talk is just a waste of time. This gives a new meaning to roulette as a past time.
"Yeah I have roulette as a hobby. No, I don't play. I like to read BS on the forums. It's more economical too."

[luckyfella]

You want the math. You are waiting the big revelation supported by math. You are reasonable, open minded people waiting for the math that will convince you of the validity of Money's method.

Your wait is over. I will give you the math.
No matter if you connect to the cosmic energy or read patterns or deconstruct randomness.
No matter if you have studied the wise words of Dyksexlic, vaddis, turbo, Priyanka  or even Uri Geller.

I dare anyone to claim with a straight face that his bets have better odds/payout ratio than described in this attached table.
This is THE ONLY MATH YOU WILL EVER HAVE- deal with it.
And on one hand Money says "no I don't change the odds" and on the next post he says "If you already know dozen 1 will win". So does that dozen still has the same odds or you know better? Please decide. There are people here waiting for your maths... LOL

All this talk is just a waste of time. This gives a new meaning to roulette as a past time.
"Yeah I have roulette as a hobby. No, I don't play. I like to read BS on the forums. It's more economical too."

Shut down your systems forum, do the right thing kav. They are all bs losers.

Your PROGRESSION MM is some voodoo magic sauce kav ?

We want to learn your magic PROGRESSION , pls teach us guru kav

[Kav]

I enjoy very much discussions about roulette strategies and progressions and triggers and money management and all that stuff.
These are very specific and clear. With pros and cons.
No voodoo, no cosmic energy and not reading randomness.
Specific stuff. You can understand. And like or not like.
If you think for example that ignatus' systems and this topic are the same thing, I can't convince you otherwise.

[luckyfella]

I enjoy very much discussions about roulette strategies and progressions and triggers and money management and all that stuff.
These are very specific and clear. With pros and cons.
No voodoo, no cosmic energy and not reading randomness.
Specific stuff. You can understand. And like or not like.
If you think for example that ignatus' systems and this topic are the same thing, I can't convince you otherwise.

Yes, mix TRIGGERS with magic PROGRESSION to win, thank you for teaching us guru kav🙏

[Kav]

Wait, I think I've figured it out. You are one of those guys who are waiting for Money's math to convince you there is an advantage to his BS, right?

[luckyfella]

Wait, I think I refigured it out. You are of those guys who are waiting for Money's math to convince you there is an advantage to his BS, right?

I am waiting for your TRIGGER to call my ferrari salesman for a test drive. All I need is your magic PROGRESSION right ?

[Kav]

So now you don't wait for his math, because you said so at the top of the very same forum page. But people forget, I can understand that.

[gizmotron2]

I enjoy very much discussions about roulette strategies and progressions and triggers and money management and all that stuff.
These are very specific and clear. With pros and cons.
No voodoo, no cosmic energy and not reading randomness.
Specific stuff. You can understand. And like or not like.
If you think for example that ignatus' systems and this topic are the same thing, I can't convince you otherwise.

I remember why Roulette 30 is a drag. You are one of the mathNazis that I'm targeting with an army of people that directly contradict your beliefs. Thanks for removing all links to Reading Randomness from your forum. I get owner's privilege. The people at this forum are showing me that mathNazis days are numbered. The Reading Randomness thread is all specific stuff. So are the demonstrations of win to loss ratio statistics. The tide is turning against you.  I'm done, you are cut off. I don't want to hear your opinion. Go away. " I can't convince you otherwise."

[Joe]

You won because of variance which Caleb calls it LUCK.

And PROGRESSION, wtf

lucky, a progression doesn't necessarily mean a martingale. My progressions only kick in when I really need them, and no marties or fibos either; they're very mild and only rise to a small fraction of the house limit.

Like I said, my results are not 'significant' in the sense of being outside normal random fluctuations, but still I'm well ahead. You don't seem to realize how easy it is for a player to think that he has a great system (an advantage) when in reality it's just a positive fluctuation. These fluctuations can go on for many thousands of bets, especially if you're betting few numbers.

For illustration, take a simple EC marty system with 7 steps. Ignoring zero, your chance of a win is 127/128 and the chance of a progression bust is 1/128. Suppose you have placed 2,500 bets. Your expectation is

2,500 * 127/128 ~ 2,480 wins and 20 busts. That's a net of 2,480 - 20 * 127 = -60 units

This assumes no variance one way or the other. But suppose you get a positive variance of 2 standard deviations, which is not at all uncommon. Such a variance doesn't register as 'significant' (it should be at least 2.56 standard deviations to be significant at the 5% level). But still, it results in only 11 progression busts as opposed to 20. Your results are

2,489 - 11 * 127 = +1092 units

Not bad eh? So you see how easy it is to be fooled if you're ignorant of basic inferential statistics. That example wasn't particularly impressive; if you were betting only 2 or 3 numbers the profits could be much larger, and still no edge anywhere to be found. 

I hope you understand the point I'm trying to make.

[luckyfella]

lucky, a progression doesn't necessarily mean a martingale. My progressions only kick in when I really need them, and no marties or fibos either; they're very mild and only rise to a small fraction of the house limit.

Like I said, my results are not 'significant' in the sense of being outside normal random fluctuations, but still I'm well ahead. You don't seem to realize how easy it is for a player to think that he has a great system (an advantage) when in reality it's just a positive fluctuation. These fluctuations can go on for many thousands of bets, especially if you're betting few numbers.

For illustration, take a simple EC marty system with 7 steps. Ignoring zero, your chance of a win is 127/128 and the chance of a progression bust is 1/128. Suppose you have placed 2,500 bets. Your expectation is

2,500 * 127/128 ~ 2,480 wins and 20 busts. That's a net of 2,480 - 20 * 127 = -60 units

This assumes no variance one way or the other. But suppose you get a positive variance of 2 standard deviations, which is not at all uncommon. Such a variance doesn't register as 'significant' (it should be at least 2.56 standard deviations to be significant at the 5% level). But still, it results in only 11 progression busts as opposed to 20. Your results are

2,489 - 11 * 127 = +1092 units

Not bad eh? So you see how easy it is to be fooled if you're ignorant of basic inferential statistics. That example wasn't particularly impressive; if you were betting only 2 or 3 numbers the profits could be much larger, and still no edge anywhere to be found. 

I hope you understand the point I'm trying to make.

Joe, rest assured I know the math.

Good post about progression math.

Since you touch on progression, my bet is FLATBET. No progression required.

Try flatbet, see if your system still wins.