Step In To My Game

[MoneyT101]

rrbb once said that there are unlimited number of dependent situations for groups of numbers. It's very simple to find one, using cycles. The cycle start/end H/L positions was just one example. Here's an other one.
10000 random spins have 5265 dozen cycles
now if I check if the double street that hit at the end of a dozen cycle is the same same as the previous double street that hit at the end of the previous dozen cycle, I get less than 50%, but with 5 to 1 payout the result is +4948 (+5 if same, -1 if different)
And since I love charts, it will look like this 



Lines are inside dozens, so they are dependent. This of course won't make anyone a winner, because we don't know when to bet for this to happen, and all the losing bets will cancel out the winnings.

Please work in private my friend.   


Also use my idea on limits to go to the next step

[ati]

Thanks for the warning, I try not post everything I learned and discovered during the thousands of hours invested  But sometimes the human nature of wanting to help others kicks in 

[Still]

Participate! Group effort...

Please work in private my friend.   

Isn't this a contradiction?

[Still]

Redd said make a list of all of the facts.

So let’s make a public list for everyone.

I’ll start it off....

Assumption: Roulette is random

Anyone want to add anymore assumptions?

Redd said to list the facts so you list assumptions? I'm confused.

[MoneyT101]

Isn't this a contradiction?

Nope

I said participate in assumptions and facts.

Ati posted something I already talked about and asked everyone reading to do.  No need for visual charts...  just speak numbers

[MoneyT101]

Redd said to list the facts so you list assumptions? I'm confused.

I’ve listed facts across my post!

And I listed the assumptions first for a reason.

Are you going to bring anything positive to the thread? Or just keep looking for ways to bring negative energy?

Let me know, so I can know if I will waste time responding or not

[Still]

I said participate in assumptions and facts.

But Redd said just the facts. So I was confused. Did Redd say to list both?  Is that what Redd said?

[MoneyT101]

But Redd said just the facts. So I was confused. Did Redd say to list both?  Is that what Redd said?

Ok, then I’m sorry for my response .  I’ll clear up what redd said soon.  I’m driving.  Be back later

[luckyfella]

But previous spins can certainly help to PREDICT future outcomes by identifying the probability distribution. If the distribution is skewed (biased) then doesn't that help to predict what will happen in the future? And even if the outcomes aren't biased, there is no fallacy in using stats to structure your bet selection.------ Jerome

Lets get our math facts correct.

I wrote on VLS forum in 2014 that the only way for systems bet to work is skewed distribution.

[luckyfella]

Negative progression betsizing is betting against variance.

Variance of random spins is theoretically infinity.

The ONLY way to bet negative progression successfully is IF you know the exact limit of variance.

How can you know the limit when the limit is unbounded ?

Clear contradiction.

[luckyfella]

Steve has plans to ban me from this forum.

Why ?

For revealing the FACTS and TRUTH.

Read my posts.

[Still]

Steve has plans to ban me from this forum.

Why ?

For posting off-topic?

[MoneyT101]

Redd said make a list of all of the facts.

So let’s make a public list for everyone.

What are the assumptions?
What are the facts?

I’ll start it off....

Assumption: Roulette is random

Assumption:  Roulette is not beatable

Assumption: Roulette is not beatable because of the house edge

Assumption: No dependency in roulette

Assumption: no mechanical system can beat the game of roulette

Anyone want to add anymore assumptions?

Assumption - a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof


When I made the post I quoted above, I originally started with the assumptions because it’s easier to know what questions we need answered.   So these questions need to be answered by Facts so that we can move forward.

When I ask you for facts in roulette you don’t know what facts I’m asking of you.  But now with these assumptions you know what specific facts need to be answered.

Proof of Redd trying to teach in the past...I edited some things out.  My remarks in red bold font.  You can go back and read the original quoted message

I. Roulette and Statistics
Unless to what some people on this forum claim: statistics is proven, all phenomena in roulette can be described by statistics, just by assuming that the spins are independent and the numbers have equal probability of falling.

So the streaks, the "law of the third", the formation of patterns you name it: all can be described by statistics and yes, on the long run, when we play roulette the measured statistics more and more converges to the "theoretical" statistics.

According to statistical theory: roulette can not be beaten. Does this imply that the game of roulette is unbeatable? Yes and No!

Redd questions the main assumption around roulette

if we use a mode of play what I call random play, the law of large numbers will govern our result. So what is random play?

Random play examples:
1. waiting for an event that will make you win
2. trying to predict what comes next
3. using a systems that uses: "what goes up must come down"

in other words: all systems based on gamblers fallacy are actually random play!

Now, lets assume that there is 1,just 1 method that is not random play. Can this beat roulette? All we can say is that it is undecided at best!

statistics does describe the process, but does not equal the process

Summary: if we are able to avoid random play (=waiting for a winning event to happen), we just might beat roulette.

How can we avoid random play? In my opinion, the only way we can do this is by using FACTS. So what are the facts?  that have nothing to do with statistics/probability?

1. Pigeonhole principle (as advocated by Dyksexlic): repeats happen on all numbersets.The pigeonhole principle can be used to proof or disproof some very nice properties, like the next two:

2. related to this: link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waerden%27s_theorem: when we have two colors, there will be a pattern in maximum 9 spins, involving 3 spins. The distance between these 3 spins of the same color is identical

3. Theorem of friends and strangers: after 6 spins, I must have at least 3 similar colors, parities, halves

4. ...?

Redd brought this information back in 2011.  Priyanka then learned with his help and attempted to help the forum.

He stated to use Facts! The non random approach he named has nothing to do with roulette.  It’s higher then roulette.  It’s universal on random behavior

So now if you can prove with FACTS the assumptions I made about roulette to be wrong. Then with those same facts you can create new ideas and new approach.

[MoneyT101]

How can you know the limit when the limit is unbounded ?

Clear contradiction.

Thank you another assumption to the list

-Roulette has no limit, infinite combinations

[MoneyT101]

Assumptions List

-Assumption: Roulette is random

-Assumption:  Roulette is not beatable

-Assumption: Roulette is not beatable because of the house edge

-Assumption: No dependency in roulette

-Assumption: no mechanical system can beat the game of roulette

-Assumption: Roulette has no limit, Infinite combinations


FACTS List



Alright...

Does anyone have anymore assumptions about roulette they want to add?

Does anyone have any FACTS to disprove some of these assumptions?

Please keep in mind.  If you can prove any of the current assumptions wrong. Then that means you can use that proof to create a way to play. (except the house edge one).