Step In To My Game

[Joe]

You have to show proof of your credibility as well.

Do established mathematical facts need 'credibility'? None of my arguments are controversial, but I can't say the same for yours.

Who appointed you as the official forum scam police ?

I appointed myself, just as you appointed yourself as a 'guru' who, by your own admission, has discovered how to beat a 200 year old negative expectation game by looking at past spins. Who has more credibility? Atlantis has also appointed himself as the scam police too, and I don't see you asking him where his credibility or authority comes from.

If you believe that the spins are random then what is your purpose with your presence in a the system roulette board that you know for sure fails ?

I told you. I use systems and this is largely a system forum. I play mostly for fun and entertainment, but I don't make claims that can't be verified or tested.

There were certain accusations leveled at you by certain members.

What are these accusations and where can I find them? Please provide links.

Give us a clear undisputed answer with supporting evidence to refute those accusations.

Please tell me what they are and I'll do my best to refute them.

Ok I've answered your questions, now can you answer one that I asked you earlier and you ignored? You said you learned some maths from my posts which helped you to find the grail. I asked you what maths that was and how did it help you?
Thanks.

[Joe]

Are you prepared to post your short term winning systems on this forum ?

There's no such thing as a short-term winning system. All systems win some of the time, no systems work all the time. A winning system wins long term, by definition.

I use a number of systems and I'm not going to post all of them here, but I will post all of them on my web site blog, eventually. None of them are winning long term, and I can prove it, lol.  So far I've not had really bad luck using them, that's all I can say. The money management strategies I use have made up for the lack of edge, but that's no guarantee they will continue to do so. I firmly believe that there is no system (other than some AP systems) which can give you a long term positive edge, and that anyone who claims otherwise is either mistaken or deliberately misleading others.

There is no 'right motive' for posting on roulette forums. Anyone can post whatever they like as long as it's within the rules. If you don't like my posts just ignore them. But it seems you have liked at least some of them because they helped you to find the grail. 

BTW, I just notice your signature :

Steve, Caleb, the mathboys are correct about random spins

So I put your question to me back to you :

"If you believe that the spins are random then what is your purpose with your presence in a the system roulette board that you know for sure fails ?"

[MoneyT101]

Some guys seem to be overwhelmed by their knowledge and dont see thats the end of their evolution. 

Exactly!

Always need to be able to learn.  You don’t know everything. 

Especially when it comes to something that’s supposedly random.

People get to focused and lost because of the odds; the payout and can’t look at things from a different perspective

[Steve]

Why arent you making a fortune with your theories?

And if you arent changing the odds, what are you changing? Your "approach", right? You're lost.

You dont need to know everything to understand really basic math and concepts, do you?

How limited is your evolution if you fail to understand the very basics?

How many times can you beat someone in the face with irrefutable truth and proof, with them still not getting it, before you can declare them literally stupid?

Maybe just go make your millions, and make fools of everyone who says if you dont change odds, you bets are random and you changed nothing. Please, go do it.

[MoneyT101]

Why arent you making a fortune with your theories?

If I told you, you would use that against me and say I don’t have a winning method. I’m upfront and honest so believe what you want and I’ll still answer for you.

When I started getting into roulette I did it cause I needed money.  My situation has changed over the years and new responsibilities.  Now it’s like I have to go out my way to go play.

I don’t have that same “I want to make money mentality”  I’m pretty comfortable with my life as far as income.

So maybe my lack of need for it doesn’t motivate me to go and play for income. Like I once needed.

I play every couple of months

[Joe]

People get to focused and lost because of the odds; the payout and can’t look at things from a different perspective

I'm not fixated on the odds and the fact it's a negative expectation game; if I did that I wouldn't be playing roulette at all. But I do play because I like creating and analyzing systems and using them makes roulette a lot more fun. I'm not really interested in AP because that would be 'work', and I make the bulk of my income from sports. Nothing wrong with using systems as long as you don't believe they give you any real advantage.

[MoneyT101]

Why arent you making a fortune with your theories?

And if you arent changing the odds, what are you changing? Your "approach", right? You're lost.

You dont need to know everything to understand really basic math and concepts, do you?

How limited is your evolution if you fail to understand the very basics?

How many times can you beat someone in the face with irrefutable truth and proof, with them still not getting it, before you can declare them literally stupid?

Steve the idea wins and it has an edge!  I just don’t claim cause I don’t need all the attention with ppl talking sh*t

The topic was to give steps to help see things a little different and break down that old mentality of roulette!

But the truth is.... roulette is beatable with math!

Now don’t go attack me I’m not willing to talk anymore on the subject.  I gave all the information needed.

People want to continue with the old thinking.  Then continue.... I’m not here for arguments.

[Steve]

And if you arent changing the odds, what are you changing? Your "approach", right?

You didnt answer it.

And you arent the first person to be convinced their system "works", but they havent made significant profit with it.

You arent the only one. You'll just need to learn for yourself. I didnt listen either when I was in a similar situation, except i was winning for a year over about 10,000 spins. Not that anyone was telling me I had no idea. Its more I ignored critical basics.

[luckyfella]

I'm not fixated on the odds and the fact it's a negative expectation game; if I did that I wouldn't be playing roulette at all. But I do play because I like creating and analyzing systems and using them makes roulette a lot more fun. I'm not really interested in AP because that would be 'work', and I make the bulk of my income from sports. Nothing wrong with using systems as long as you don't believe they give you any real advantage.
Random and nothing wrong ?!?!?! Wtf

What is there to analyse for you as a math graduate ?

Your worse post by far.
Misleading to the hilt.

Seriously, not taking a shot at you.
Or try to offend you in any way.

Make up your mind.

Either you think something might be there or not.

Ask Steve to shut down the systems board. They are guaranteed losers according to him.
Steve, wtf is the 100% loser systems board for ?

Why all this double talk ?

Not picking an argument.

Just laying out what you and Steve believe. Your actions speak different.

I posted that the entire systems board is loser, and I stand by it.

[Joe]

@ MoneyT101, you said :

I shared a system with them.  Told them exactly how to play it out.  None have even attempted to try it.

You haven't shared any system that I can see on this thread, just a lot of vague hints. So where is it?

Steve the idea wins and it has an edge!

So what is your calculated edge?
Over how many bets?
How exactly are you calculating the edge?

Enquiring minds want to know! 

[Joe]

What is there to analyse for you as a math graduate ?

Your worse post by far.

Seriously, not taking a shot at you.
Or try to offend you in any way.

Make up your mind.

Either you think something might be there or not.

I told you, my systems have no edge, and I know how to test for real significance (I don't think you do). The reason I've won is because of positive variance and progressions, not an edge. The fact that you don't seem to understand that someone can win for long periods on sheer luck (or at least, not terrible luck) is weakening your claims even more, I'm afraid.

[luckyfella]

I told you, my systems have no edge, and I know how to test for real significance (I don't think you do). The reason I've won is because of positive variance and progressions, not an edge. The fact that you don't seem to understand that someone can win for long periods on sheer luck (or at least, not terrible luck) is weakening your claims even more, I'm afraid.

Your bad post has just gotten a notch worse.

You won because of variance which Caleb calls it LUCK.

And PROGRESSION, wtf

Another progression junkie.

Steve, do you read the magic potion PROGRESSION  ?!?!?!

This post comes from a math graduate.

Hey, I am not attacking you.
I don't have to.
Nothing personal.

This LUCKY math graduate GAMBLER won with PROGRESSION.

[luckyfella]

I told you, my systems have no edge

Why would you test your system that you already know have no edge ?

Analyse Wtf ?!?!

Are you serious ?!?!?!

Come on Joe, what happen to you

You and Jerome started my self education on the math of roulette.
Most of which I watched Khan academy videos and other related math videos.

[Tinsoldiers]

What a slug fest. 

Money doesn’t have to make millions to prove his system works. He just have to show the math. I think it would be far nicer if people can allow him to speak and Money focussed on explaining the mathematics instead of saying he knows how math can beat roulette. Empty arguments and slug fest.  Gimme a break. 

[luckyfella]

Money doesn’t have to make millions to prove his system works. He just have to show the math.

Finally a sensible post from P.👍