Theories, Myths, Facts And Ideas

[Blueprint]

And how would you say this is different from what most call a “trigger”?

[ati]

I'm confused by that also. My understanding was that you cannot wait, every spin must be bet. Aren't we waiting for triggers if we do not bet every spin? I don't think betting minimum on EC while tracking count as "real" bets.

This is a waiting game and doing a virtual bet. For any of the concepts to have the chance of working, the basic premise is we can’t play a virtual game. We will have to play every spin which is part of what people call a personal permanence. 

No waiting, no looking for events, keep betting continuously.

You cannot play a waiting game waiting for your favourable event to occur.

"waiting on certain patterns" will not work either

3. the "waiting for a win event" game must be avoided at all costs

Priyanka's 5 cent bets are meaningless, those were just to complete a cycle, as he didn't want to show a complete system, just how certain concepts can be used. Also, there are only 3 free spins allowed on Betvoyager, so it's simpler to bet the minimum on EC, while tracking.

[MoneyT101]

And how would you say this is different from what most call a “trigger”?

I think we confuse this...

Waiting for 3 reds to happen and then betting black is waiting for something that can happen now or in 5,10,20 spins, etc

Let’s say I want to bet the 3rd spin cause I believe it will result in double street 2

I can play the 2nd spin if I choose and all I have to play is every number except 2 and the defining number 🤪

Or I can just sit this spin out and observe( which you would consider waiting) then play my double street 2 in the next spin

So don’t I just place a bet on red to get to the next bet?idk you decide what’s best for you and what you feel comfortable doing

But am I just randomly waiting or is there a purpose? 

[Blood Angel]

I can play the 2nd spin if I choose and all I have to play is every number except 2 and the defining number 🤪

Hi MoneyT,
Why not number 2?

[Tinsoldiers]

I think we are confusing different things here.  When you bet on a position irrespective of what decision metrics you use in your mind, mainframe calculAtor etc, you end up in a bet on a position and over a period of time LLN will catch up on that position.  Now if you are making it part of another spin and combining the bets, unless you place bets on all the combined spins, it is an individual bet.  The rest is all in your mind. 

Look at the following statement.

Let’s say I want to bet the 3rd spin cause I believe it will result in double street 2

It is in your mind. There is no bet selection which can tell you that the next will result in double street 2

[MoneyT101]

Blood angel and tinsoldiers I’ll reply later...

[Blueprint]

yes, still predicting and waiting.  Total mind game.

[Kav]

It’s crazy how so many people are watching the topic but no one shares their point of view on any of the topics 
Kav, I didn’t forget how you ran as soon as joe and I asked for you to explain your hit and run comment

I'm not used to running. I clearly stated that I'm not prepared to explain my position on hit and run. I already said so twice, on the first page of this topic. Don't you read your own topic? I'm saying so now a third time. Simple as that.

Why I'm not doing it? For various reasons. For example someone who is running around himself in cycles (pun intended) would probably misunderstand me. Hey! he didn't understand that I already said twice that I'm not prepared to explain my take on the matter, how would he be able to understand something more subtle than a clear statement.

People do not take part in the discussion because it has no focus, no structure and it is full of useless gibberish.

If you still want to hear my... wisdom about the discussion here, take this:

this is all wrong from the get go.
LLN is a good thing. I like it. I want it. LLN is my friend. It helps me win.
So I don't get why most of you describe it with phrases like "LLN will catch up", like it is something to be avoided.
I'm on a totally different page with most of the posters.

[Joe]

LLN is a good thing. I like it. I want it. LLN is my friend. It helps me win.

How? It's contrary to the maths because LLN guarantees that probabilities will approach their theoretical values, which is not good news if you don't have an edge.

[falkor2k15]

I'm not used to running. I clearly stated that I'm not prepared to explain my position on hit and run. I already said so twice, on the first page of this topic. Don't you read your own topic? I'm saying so now a third time. Simple as that.

Why I'm not doing it? For various reasons. For example someone who is running around himself in cycles (pun intended) would probably misunderstand me. Hey! he didn't understand that I already said twice that I'm not prepared to explain my take on the matter, how would he be able to understand something more subtle than a clear statement.

People do not take part in the discussion because it has no focus, no structure and it is full of useless gibberish.

If you still want to hear my... wisdom about the discussion here, take this:

this is all wrong from the get go.
LLN is a good thing. I like it. I want it. LLN is my friend. It helps me win.
So I don't get why most of you describe it with phrases like "LLN will catch up", like it is something to be avoided.
I'm on a totally different page with most of the posters.

I don't see why trying to follow variance is a good thing either as it's a break even game whether you play repeaters or sleepers. Variance is not something that can be predicted.

[Kav]

How? It's contrary to the maths because LLN guarantees that probabilities will approach their theoretical values, which is not good news if you don't have an edge.

Define edge.

I'm tired of speaking vaguely about hit and run, edge and what not.
For any meaningful discussion you need to define your terminology - everyone.
That's a big part why I don't find purpose in such discussions.

[falkor2k15]

Define edge.

I'm tired of speaking vaguely about hit and run, edge and what not.
For any meaningful discussion you need to define your terminology - everyone.
That's a big part why I don't find purpose in such discussions.

There's a contradiction about what edge is: on one hand Priyanka said it's about increasing accuracy of predictions - but then later it's claimed that edge has nothing to do with prediction. More wins than losses has been touted - but without ever acknowledging risk/reward and the fact that double dozens is always going to result in more wins than losses, albeit break even.

[Joe]

Define edge.

I'm tired of speaking vaguely about hit and run, edge and what not.
For any meaningful discussion you need to define your terminology - everyone.

Kav, since you claim that the LLN is a good thing, and assuming you understand what it means, you must have a positive edge.   

Edge is defined very simply by this empirical formula :

Edge = profit / loss divided by total staked

Or you could use the standard formula for expectation :

EV = Sum (p1 * x1, p2 * x2, ... pn * xn), from which you can derive the well known -2.7% value for single zero roulette. p is the probability of occurrence and x is a random variable with the probability function f(x), and n is the number of all possible values.

To be honest, I can't believe you don't know this already. I think you just like to be contrary, for whatever reasons. 

But I do agree with you that people are far too vague and rarely define their terms because not many are familiar with the relevant maths.

[Kav]

I didn't ask how you calculate edge, but where it comes from, what constitutes edge (in your opinion).
You are absorbed in your calculations but you don't give a meaningful definition of "edge".
By your equation, any lucky gambler has an edge.

Before going into deep waters it's better to understand the basics.

[MoneyT101]

I’m still a little busy and can’t reply with much detailed answers but I will get to every post later

Kav, you don’t need anyone to define specifically what they mean about something so you can share your thought on it!

We asked you about what YOU understand as hit and run.  So you explain what it means to you.

Once you define your terminology then anyone can either understand, agree, disagree or what not.  But everyone here commenting made it clear what they thought something means to them.   So stop using that as an excuse to keep avoiding what you mean.  If you don’t want to comment just say so....