Turbo's Racing Analogy

[Joe]

On another forum, Turbo wrote this :

So here I had Random.org select for me 10 sets of random number lists...

    Set 1: 33, 13, 12, 8, 1, 19, 4
    Set 2: 24, 30, 17, 12, 16, 26, 20
    Set 3: 23, 9, 6, 36, 32, 12, 17
    Set 4: 9, 19, 6, 23, 0, 3, 35
    Set 5: 8, 18, 35, 29, 2, 9, 21
    Set 6: 14, 17, 31, 15, 20, 00, 9
    Set 7: 14, 35, 30, 13, 22, 16, 28
    Set 8: 28, 23, 29, 20, 35, 17, 12
    Set 9: 14, 1, 17, 00, 26, 28, 23
    Set 10: 29, 6, 23, 15, 00, 22, 2

Nothing special here, no magic lol.

Now let's run off roulette spins until we have 1 set with only 1 number remaining.
This will be considered the lead horse in this race of 10 horses of course - it's nearest
to the "finish line" and is expected to complete before the math says it should.

10 35 4 10 24 16 25 0 00 15 20 3 13 20 2 29 17 29 1 20 23 26 11 14

    Set 1: 33, 13, 12, 8, 1, 19, 4
    Set 2: 24, 30, 17, 12, 16, 26, 20
    Set 3: 23, 9, 6, 36, 32, 12, 17
    Set 4: 9, 19, 6, 23, 0, 3, 35
    Set 5: 8, 18, 35, 29, 2, 9, 21
    Set 6: 14, 17, 31, 15, 20, 00, 9
    Set 7: 14, 35, 30, 13, 22, 16, 28
    Set 8: 28, 23, 29, 20, 35, 17, 12
    Set 9: 14, 1, 17, 00, 26, 28, 23
    Set 10: 29, 6, 23, 15, 00, 22, 2

Now we can see this horse race analogy clearly ?
Set 9 is the "lead horse" with only #28 left to complete the pattern.
all the way back to (horse) set #3 that has only completed 2 steps of the race.
Others are in-between but charting this over time will show that there is always
this variance because of random. So we now bet on the Set #9 to complete
by betting on #28. (and no, this isn't done ahead of time - I run these examples
as I type.. so if it doesn't work, then it doesn't...but it will.)
Now the bet on spins...

34
21
8
3
31
32
18
00
13
8
26
31
24
15
34
28 Win (We are up 20 units)
======================================

We tracked for 24 spins, played 16 spins (40 spins total)

Did #28 beat the math of the game ? NO !
It took 40 spins to appear - all we did was improve on When to bet on it and why -
for some reason people think the math has to change in order to predict the winning number,
when this isn't the case. #28 appeared worse than most numbers on the table - yet we won
on it because it was part of the set that "won the race". The horse crossed the finish line
much better than expected and we knew to bet on it because it was the first and only horse
to reach the "1 away from winning" location.

So I have a couple of comments, the first being that it seems doubtful that the sets were randomly selected because none of the 10 contain any repeating numbers, and the chance of getting 10 sets of 7 numbers with none of them having a repeat is very small.

More seriously, what possible connection could there be between some sets of random numbers chosen from another source, and the sequence of numbers being generated by a roulette wheel? 

If you follow the logic to its conclusion you end up with an absurdity. Suppose that there are a number of players at a table and they are all playing this 'system' and each of them gets their own set of random numbers. Now obviously each player's sets will contain different numbers and so they will most likely end up with different 'lead horses'. Yet somehow, mysteriously, all these numbers are favourable and more likely to win than not for each player in less than 37 bets. If you think about a live wheel at an online casino, there could be literally thousands of players playing the same system, in which case every number would be the 'lead horse'! 

[Ross]

It's easy to generate sets without repeats.
If there is a repeat you have only six numbers to bet.

[Madi]

I dont agree with his horse race analogy. To describe an exect system u need exact wording with exect example which he is not doing for getting detected.  He is playing around so that people getting confused.

[Patrick999]

Not to mention a single number can take over 500 spins before showing....

[Kav]

Not to mention a single number can take over 500 spins before showing....

It only takes so many spin to show only if a player is waiting for it, not if it favours the casino ;-)

[stringbeanpc]

It only takes so many spin to show only if a player is waiting for it, not if it favours the casino ;-)

Kav, how so ? Please explain further

[Kav]

Kav, how so ? Please explain further

Did you notice the wink? 
Easy to explain. You can explain it yourself really.
2 scenarios:

1. Player is betting 35 numbers leaving out numbers 0 and 5. How probable do you think it is for 5 to go cold for 500 spins? P(A)

2. Player is betting only 2 numbers: 0 and 5. How probable do you think it is for 5 to go cold for 500 spins? P(B)

I'm not asking the theoretical number. I'm asking what you think, based on your experience (if you have). I'm telling you P(B)>P(A)
More realistically, a number doesn't sleep for 500 spins often. Never seen one do so. But a 250 spins sleep could be observed if you play long enough.

[Joe]

I'm telling you P(B)>P(A)

lol, I think you've been reading too much Turbo. Of course there's no difference.

[Kav]

You are obsessed with Turbo, not me. I'm actually saying here that the casino wins, not the player.

Don't you understand what I'm saying? Do you really think that you can ever go into a casino bet 35 numbers and the number you don't bet gets to sleep for hundreds of spins? Impossible. Or at least less possible than YOUR number going to sleep.

[luckyfella]

I'm telling you P(B)>P(A)

Joe, can you confirm pls is it

P(B)>P(A)

Or

P(B)=P(A)

[Kav]

My dear you don't need any math to understand that the theoretical prob are the same.
A kid would know that. Hello? 
WINK    Everyone missed the wink!

I'm saying the casino won't let this to happen.

[luckyfella]

I'm saying the casino won't let this to happen.

P(A)=P(B) is the math of roulette.

Nothing to do with the casino.

Tell us, what you mean by "the casino won't let this to happen."

What is it that the casino won't let happen ?

[Tinsoldiers]

Lucky fella, Joe, Don’t even understand why you are even doing this conversation. You are trying to straighten a dog tail. Even if you straighten it what you find underneath may not be pleasant.

[luckyfella]

Do you really think that you can ever go into a casino bet 35 numbers and the number you don't bet gets to sleep for hundreds of spins? Impossible. Or at least less possible than YOUR number going to sleep.

I am learning new things.

Pls keep posting kav, I wish to learn more from you.

[Kav]

I will repeat my original post and I will rest my case. 

Not to mention a single number can take over 500 spins before showing....

It only takes so many spin to show only if a player is waiting for it, not if it favours the casino ;-)