Tilting and learning to avoid it

[Sparks]

Hi all

It's been a while since I posted here and there is a reason for that. A few of you know me from helping with the Vaddis theorys and other systems. After a while I went quiet, so I'd like to share my story so other don't fall into the same hole I have fallen into.

A few months ago I was playing a system that I knew wasn't a long term winner but I was doing pretty well with.
Over time i managed to get around £2k up and was successfully meeting my target profit of around £125/day.

I was feeling good about myself, about money and was finally in a decent financial position for the first time in over a decade. I even managed to help my mother with money as she has been left in a really bad situation after a nasty divorce.
So fair to say things were looking up.

One evening I was more tired than usual after a busy day at work. I had already completed 4 out of the 5 £25 profit targets I aim to get throughout the day and was working on completing my last one.
Needless to say the wheel (or any wheel) wasn't going in my favour that night. I was semi-used to it as my system had it's dramatic ups and downs so i just thought it's one of those nights.
After a few losses I broke my cardinal rule of £200 stop-loss and kept going, so sure of myself what i needed what going to come up.
I ended up losing everything i worked for and all my savings i was using to pay off old debts, in total around £7k, which may not seem much to some of you, but has now put me and my family under a lot of stress and struggle.

It's so easy to keep going and going until you have nothing left. I know being tired that night didn't help and in hindsight i shouldn't have played at all but i got greedy and there isn't a moment that goes by where i don't kick myself for it.

I want my story to be a lesson to people out there that no matter how well you do with any system you might have, you ALWAYS need complete control and discipline to keep to the rules you set yourself so that you don't go under.
If you're not in the mood, or you're feeling under the weather or a bit tired, DON'T gamble. Don't feel like you NEED to meet your targets, don't force yourself to do it. You should to be clear headed so that you don't make stupid mistakes like i did, and now i'm paying the price.

I wish the best of luck to everyone on here.

[Let Me Win]

Nice post bro.

I feel your pain I have been there done it and worn the T Shirt more than once in my life.

I solved the problem myself by limiting my access to cash.

If playing online I would have a daily deposit limit set with the casino in account settings which would be my stop loss amount. I would withdraw my entire balance at the end of each day.

I don't play online anymore preferring to play at real casinos in Asia because of the favourable currency exchange rate of Pounds into Pesos.

I protect myself by leaving my money and bank cards in my room safe at my hotel and only taking my stop loss amount with me to the casino.

I also make sure my hotel is at least half an hour away so by the time I get back to my room there is time for the red mist to disappear.

Also daily withdrawal limits on debit cards.

This is the biggest problem in all forms of gambling that all players must find ways to prevent happing.

[Steve]

The problem wasnt discipline. You could have just as easily won big. This time you lost big. That's what progressions do.

Progression is only different size bets on different spins, that each have the same odds. Its no different to random bets of random size.

Almost every system has the same accuracy as random. So what's the difference between random and the system? Nothing. The system working is in your head.

But it's the short term wins with progression that makes people thing the system "works", until it doesn't.

As i keep saying, you must increase accuracy of predictions. There's no other way.

[Sparks]

Nice post bro.

I feel your pain I have been there done it and worn the T Shirt more than once in my life.

I solved the problem myself by limiting my access to cash.

If playing online I would have a daily deposit limit set with the casino in account settings which would be my stop loss amount. I would withdraw my entire balance at the end of each day.

I don't play online anymore preferring to play at real casinos in Asia because of the favourable currency exchange rate of Pounds into Pesos.

I protect myself by leaving my money and bank cards in my room safe at my hotel and only taking my stop loss amount with me to the casino.

I also make sure my hotel is at least half an hour away so by the time I get back to my room there is time for the red mist to disappear.

Also daily withdrawal limits on debit cards.

This is the biggest problem in all forms of gambling that all players must find ways to prevent happing.

Thanks man, that's sound advice.

Unfortunately i don't have the time or resources to be able to travel to play, but i agree it's way too easy to spend everything you have online. All your money can be deposited in a click of a button.

I think modern society has lost its value of money by become pretty much cashless with things like contactless credit/debit cards. Pay for anything with a swipe or a click and you don't see or feel the impact until you look at your bank balance.

[Sparks]

This time you lost big. That's what progressions do

I agree Steve, I do in part believe i just had a really good streak of luck when i was up. I had hoped i had found something worth pursuing with the constant small wins i was getting but obviously i was very wrong.

As i keep saying, you must increase accuracy of predictions

And i also agree. But how do you do this without expensive computers or Einstein level math? I'm just a mere mortal

[Roulettebeater]

Can you tell us how did you play?  were you waiting for a trigger? what kind of bets did you play ?  how is the progression?
how many days was your method successful ? ..
maybe i can help you...

[Sparks]

Can you tell us how did you play?  were you waiting for a trigger? what kind of bets did you play ?  how is the progression?
how many days was your method successful ? ..
maybe i can help you...

I was using a EC pattern based system which goes as follows:

I would write down the following patterns for Red/Black:
RRR
RRB
RBR
BRR
BBB
BBR
BRB
RBB

As spins come up i would strike off each pattern as they appear until i had about 3 or 4 left then bet on the next pattern, for example:
the following spins have come up:
B, R, R, R, B, R,

From this i have ticked off:
BRR
RRR
RRB
RBR

Leaving the patterns left:
BRB
BBR
BRB
RBB

So as all of remaining patterns require a black to complete, i'd bet black. That's a perfect scenario for me there.

[Steve]

And i also agree. But how do you do this without expensive computers or Einstein level math? I'm just a mere mortal

You dont need a Ferrari to drive to Walmart. Start with basic visual ballistics. There are numerous other techniques that work. Start small.

You dont need to beat every wheel. You only need to beat enough.

Don't play in difficult conditions. Choose the easiest conditions. If you can't find them, dont play.

Do this, then you won't be a millionaire, but you'll likely supplement existing income nicely.

People underestimate how much of roulette is a mind game. Among other things, you must overcome pre-conceived beliefs about how things should be.

[Joe]

Hi Sparks, sorry to hear about your loss, but I'm just wondering whether you kept a record of the results that night?
I'm assuming that if you had kept to your usual stop loss you might still be playing the same system now and winning (on balance) with it. And Steve has assumed you were using a progression which might not have been the case.

What kind of system was it? Sorry, just seen your above post.

BTW, you can still lose discipline when using a computer or AP. There's no silver bullet.

[Steve]

Your system went wrong in the same place as usual systems. Your bet selection or triggers were no better than random bets.

[Roulettebeater]

I was using a EC pattern based system which goes as follows:

I would write down the following patterns for Red/Black:
RRR
RRB
RBR
BRR
BBB
BBR
BRB
RBB

As spins come up i would strike off each pattern as they appear until i had about 3 or 4 left then bet on the next pattern, for example:
the following spins have come up:
B, R, R, R, B, R,

From this i have ticked off:
BRR
RRR
RRB
RBR

Leaving the patterns left:
BRB
BBR
BRB
RBB

So as all of remaining patterns require a black to complete, i'd bet black. That's a perfect scenario for me there.

ok, i assume you were progressing with a negative martingale?
how far did you go with the progression?

[Steve]

And although the loss is painful, treat it like an expensive lesson. Money comes and goes. Soon you'll see it as past. Don't hang on it. I've lost far more to scams and it still makes me angry. But if you dwell on it too much, the wasted time and energy is more costly than the loss you're angry about. Costly both financially and emotionally. So focus on making money and moving forward. But i suggest dont look at casinos for some time at least, winning system or not. You might end up chasing losses and worsening the situation.

[Joe]

I was using a EC pattern based system which goes as follows:

I would write down the following patterns for Red/Black:
RRR
RRB
RBR
BRR
BBB
BBR
BRB
RBB

As spins come up i would strike off each pattern as they appear until i had about 3 or 4 left then bet on the next pattern, for example:
the following spins have come up:
B, R, R, R, B, R,

From this i have ticked off:
BRR
RRR
RRB
RBR

Leaving the patterns left:
BRB
BBR
BRB
RBB

So as all of remaining patterns require a black to complete, i'd bet black. That's a perfect scenario for me there.

That's a losing system all right. I wrote a simulation for it some months ago. There was a lot of hype about it at the time from the guy who created it. He's been around forums a long time and one of his names was John Legend.

[Sparks]

ok, i assume you were progressing with a negative martingale?
how far did you go with the progression?

Yep pretty much. Started off small with £1 until i build up a balance of around £200, that bumped up to £2 and so on until i got to about £5 with the balance i had.
Simple marty up to 4 losses then change table and start again.
But because i tilted so hard i ended up betting a lot more than normal and abandoned the system

[Sparks]

But i suggest dont look at casinos for some time at least, winning system or not

Yes i banned myself from playing for around 4 months or so now. Hence why i'm back with a clear head to see what's been going on so far. Won't play until i see something solid or worth investigating further myself in excel with thousands of recorded spins