Xpander 25 (Long term winner 67-70% winrate)

[ignatus]

Welldone ignatus glad your hard work has finally given you a system that performs well.

I hope all those that win using your method give you a donation. Maybe 15% of all their winnings!

Good luck 

Thanks Yes, donations would be nice... as ive seen now, testing this +1u progression seems to be the ultimate, for "REAL PLAY" then?  ...just did a short test now, first test 36440 Live spins, +342025u Profits.... I can live with that 

All my testings have shown consistent profits with this system, and i consider it to be a "HG".

Cheers people. And a happy new year 2020 ! 

[ignatus]

Thank you, but I cant run it, I dont have rx. Can you post picture about results like above you did? Thanks.

For fun, test your +1 progression either on Betvoyager or this freeplay casino i found link:s://:.lucky-31.com/casino/roulette/golden-chip-roulette/

I just ran a short test now.. cheers 

[Mister Eko]

For fun, test your +1 progression either on Betvoyager or this freeplay casino i found link:s://:.lucky-31.com/casino/roulette/golden-chip-roulette/

I just ran a short test now.. cheers 

I did rather a short test with a 2 stage, 6-step progression. +146 unit in 100 spins, give us 1.46 unit/spin.

[ignatus]

I did rather a short test with a 2 stage, 6-step progression. +146 unit in 100 spins, give us 1.46 unit/spin.

Great! 

[Johnoholic]

Ignatus, base on all your testings, are you able to check the longest back to back loses? If the stoploss is 2000 & you are unlucky enough to lose 5 or 6 sessions in a row, we need to prepare at least 10k to play? I know end of the day we have 70% winrates, but I don’t think anyone have the mood or guts to continue playing once they loses 5 or 6 session back to back.
That’s why we need to know the longest back to back losses.

[Mister Eko]

Great! 

Can I ask exactly, how you coded the +1 system in your rx? It seems we thought differently. You play the very first spin and add +1 on second and +1 third spin and continue until win on 25 numbers, then? What means 2 win in a row, we start again with 5 numebrs on a hit, dont we? So...in your test the winning rate is 50%, still +300,000 unit profit

[ignatus]

Can I ask exactly, how you coded the +1 system in your rx? It seems we thought differently. You play the very first spin and add +1 on second and +1 third spin and continue until win on 25 numbers, then? What means 2 win in a row, we start again with 5 numebrs on a hit, dont we? So...in your test the winning rate is 50%, still +300,000 unit profit

Well the "winrate" is most of the time not exactly -2000, its much less for it cannot Bet over the existing BR. so, it will RESET IF a bet come that will exceed the total BR... And calculate the LOSS (More than Total BR, that is)...and so on,,,,but a WIN is ALWAYS (as ive coded +1000u, or more) Therefore, profits and losses are not equal.. I suggest you get the trial version of "roulette Xtreme" (or buy the software) to test this code...

YES its +1u for each LOSS, And ive already explained now, After 2 wins in a row it will RESET/RESTART the BET. But it wont Always Reset the progression (Depending on if you "reached a new high" or not) IF you did reach a new high after 2 wins, it will reset, IF not, -2 steps in the +1u progressionline....

cheers

[Anastasius]

Do u think if I keep waiting in cycles for 3 misses (15 number ) and make one bet then it could work

[ignatus]

Do u think if I keep waiting in cycles for 3 misses (15 number ) and make one bet then it could work

i think we already tried that one?:/ also someone else has said Steve perhaps, that waiting for virtual wins and losses does not work, idk? my results wasn´t good anyway? as you´ve seen earlier in the thread...

[ignatus]

Im running the RX-bot (with the latest +1-prog. version) on BetVoyager, (on my other laptop) and, so far so good, we´ll see i will run it for a couple of hours now... 

[Tekunda]

Ignatus, base on all your testings, are you able to check the longest back to back loses? If the stoploss is 2000 & you are unlucky enough to lose 5 or 6 sessions in a row, we need to prepare at least 10k to play? I know end of the day we have 70% winrates, but I don’t think anyone have the mood or guts to continue playing once they loses 5 or 6 session back to back.
That’s why we need to know the longest back to back losses.

I was about posting the same question, when I read your post.
All these 100k spin talk is highly theoratical, because the risk is spread out over a huge number of spins, but in real life it's different:
I was using numbers from the Duisburg, Germany casino and what happened? After a few winning games I hit a bad streak, 4 x loosing the progression wiping out my $2000 b/r.
In real life that would mean investing in another bread roll. And with 100k spins, such a scenario could easily happen a few times, before it will reach positive territory.

[Roulettebeater]

I was about posting the same question, when I read your post.
All these 100k spin talk is highly theoratical, because the risk is spread out over a huge number of spins, but in real life it's different:
I was using numbers from the Duisburg, Germany casino and what happened? After a few winning games I hit a bad streak, 4 x loosing the progression wiping out my $2000 b/r.
In real life that would mean investing in another bread roll. And with 100k spins, such a scenario could easily happen a few times, before it will reach positive territory.

I also think so

Perhaps ignatus is not taking care of this issue, of course with infinite bankroll u can come ahead but in reality things might look totally different

[ignatus]

Well now, i cannot show or prove any "worst case scenarios", im only doin a short test the the RX-bot on Betvoyager now, you have to do your own testings, you have the code, you have RX? Why dont you use it?... 

[ignatus]

OK! I figured a way to code this now. IF you look at The "data Records" (under the Statistics menu in RX) you will now find another parameter now; "LowestBR" (This parameter Records the lowest total BR ever reached. IF/when BR negative that  is...)

Cheers 

RX-code

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system "Xpander TestProg2"
// © ignatus 2019 ©

method "main"
begin
  while starting a new session
  begin
   put 2000 on total bankroll

   put 100% of Bankroll on Record "highest" Data
        put 100% of Record "highest" Data to Record "max risk" Data
        subtract 2000 of Record "max risk" Data

 
    put 0 to Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
    put 2000 to Record "LowestBR" Data

    Set List[1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,
             36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50]
    //1,1,1,2,3,5,8,15,25,35,75,125,200,300,500,750,1000]
     //1,1,2,5,15,55,175,600,1000]
     to Record "progression" Data

   Set List[1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15]
     to Record "Spin counter" Data

   Set List[1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]
       to Record "win" Data

   end
   
  while on each spin
  begin

   if Bankroll > Record "highest" Data
        begin
            put 100% of Bankroll on Record "highest" Data
            put 100% of Record "highest" Data to Record "max risk" Data
            subtract 2000 Record "max risk" Data
        end

        if Bankroll <= Record "max risk" Data
        begin
       
            if Bankroll < Record "LowestBR" Data
        begin
            put 100% of Bankroll on Record "LowestBR" Data
        end
       
            put 2000 to Record "A" data
            subtract 100% of Bankroll from Record "A" data
            Subtract 2000 from Record "A" data

            subtract 100% of Record "A" data from Record "TotalBR" Data

             put 2000 on total bankroll
             put 0 to Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
             
            put 100% of Bankroll on Record "highest" Data
            put 100% of Record "highest" Data to Record "max risk" Data
            subtract 2000 of Record "max risk" Data

            add 1 to record "lost sessions" data index


            put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
              Put 1 on Record "bet" Data Index
      Put 1 on Record "win" Data Index
      reset all flags false
   put 1 on Record "Spin counter" Data index
clear Record "bet1" layout
clear Record "bet2" layout
clear Record "bet3" layout
clear Record "bet4" layout
clear Record "bet5" layout
clear Record "bet6" layout
clear Record "bett1" layout
clear Record "bett2" layout
clear Record "bett3" layout
clear Record "bett4" layout
clear Record "bett5" layout
clear Record "bett6" layout
          //  stop session
        end

  Track last Number for 1 spins to
Record "last1" layout





    if any inside bet won each
begin
  add 1 to Record "win" Data Index

{ set flag "bet" false
//put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
put 1 on Record "Spin counter" Data index
clear Record "bet1" layout
clear Record "bet2" layout
clear Record "bet3" layout
clear Record "bet4" layout
clear Record "bet5" layout
clear Record "bet6" layout
clear Record "bett1" layout
clear Record "bett2" layout
clear Record "bett3" layout
clear Record "bett4" layout
clear Record "bett5" layout
clear Record "bett6" layout
}
end
  else
  begin
Add 1 to Record "progression" Data index
put 1 on Record "win" Data Index
end


  If Record "win" Data Index >= 3 each
    Begin
      subtract 2 from Record "progression" Data Index

       if Bankroll >= Record "Highest Bankroll" Data each
     begin
        clear Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
        put 100% Bankroll to Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
        put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
     end

      Put 1 on Record "bet" Data Index
      Put 1 on Record "win" Data Index
      reset all flags false
   put 1 on Record "Spin counter" Data index
clear Record "bet1" layout
clear Record "bet2" layout
clear Record "bet3" layout
clear Record "bet4" layout
clear Record "bet5" layout
clear Record "bet6" layout
clear Record "bett1" layout
clear Record "bett2" layout
clear Record "bett3" layout
clear Record "bett4" layout
clear Record "bett5" layout
clear Record "bett6" layout
end



if flag "bet" true each
begin
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bet1" layout list
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bet2" layout list
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bet3" layout list
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bet4" layout list
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bet5" layout list
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bet6" layout list

Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bett1" layout list
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bett2" layout list
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bett3" layout list
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bett4" layout list
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bett5" layout list
Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bett6" layout list
end



   if Record "Spin counter" Data index = 1
   begin
   set flag "bet" true
   //put 1 on Record "Spin counter" Data index
   Put 2 on Neighbor Count
   Copy Record "last1" layout to Record "bet1" layout
   Copy Neighbors of Record "bet1" layout
   to Record "bett1" Layout
   Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bett1" layout list
   Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bet1" layout list
   end

   if Record "Spin counter" Data index = 2
   begin
   //put 1 on Record "Spin counter" Data index
   Put 2 on Neighbor Count
   Copy Record "last1" layout to Record "bet2" layout
   Copy Neighbors of Record "bet2" layout
   to Record "bett2" Layout
   Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bett2" layout list
   Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bet2" layout list
   end

   if Record "Spin counter" Data index = 3
   begin
   //put 1 on Record "Spin counter" Data index
   Put 2 on Neighbor Count
   Copy Record "last1" layout to Record "bet3" layout
   Copy Neighbors of Record "bet3" layout
   to Record "bett3" Layout
   Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bett3" layout list
   Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bet3" layout list
   end

   if Record "Spin counter" Data index = 4
   begin
   //put 1 on Record "Spin counter" Data index
   Put 2 on Neighbor Count
   Copy Record "last1" layout to Record "bet4" layout
   Copy Neighbors of Record "bet4" layout
   to Record "bett4" Layout
   Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bett4" layout list
   Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bet4" layout list
   end

    if Record "Spin counter" Data index = 5
   begin
   //put 1 on Record "Spin counter" Data index
   Put 2 on Neighbor Count
   Copy Record "last1" layout to Record "bet5" layout
   Copy Neighbors of Record "bet5" layout
   to Record "bett5" Layout
   Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bett5" layout list
   Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bet5" layout list
   end

{    if Record "Spin counter" Data index = 6
   begin
   //put 1 on Record "Spin counter" Data index
   Put 2 on Neighbor Count
   Copy Record "last1" layout to Record "bet6" layout
   Copy Neighbors of Record "bet6" layout
   to Record "bett6" Layout
   Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bett6" layout list
  // Put 100% of Record "progression" Data to Record "bet6" layout list
   end
}


   add 1 to Record "Spin counter" Data index




if total bankroll >= 3000 each time
begin
put 2000 to Record "A" data
subtract 100% of Record "A" data from Bankroll
add 100% of Bankroll to Record "TotalBR" Data
//stop session
add 1 to record "won sessions" data index
    put 2000 on total bankroll
    put 0 to Record "Highest Bankroll" Data
    put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
      Put 1 on Record "bet" Data Index
      Put 1 on Record "win" Data Index
      reset all flags false
   put 1 on Record "Spin counter" Data index
clear Record "bet1" layout
clear Record "bet2" layout
clear Record "bet3" layout
clear Record "bet4" layout
clear Record "bet5" layout
clear Record "bet6" layout
clear Record "bett1" layout
clear Record "bett2" layout
clear Record "bett3" layout
clear Record "bett4" layout
clear Record "bett5" layout
clear Record "bett6" layout
end


{
if total bankroll <= -2000 each
begin
stop session
end
}

  If Record "progression" Data Index >
  Record "progression" Data Count
    Begin
    set flag "bet" false
put 1 on Record "progression" Data Index
put 1 on Record "Spin counter" Data index
clear Record "bet1" layout
clear Record "bet2" layout
clear Record "bet3" layout
clear Record "bet4" layout
clear Record "bet5" layout
clear Record "bet6" layout
clear Record "bett1" layout
clear Record "bett2" layout
clear Record "bett3" layout
clear Record "bett4" layout
clear Record "bett5" layout
clear Record "bett6" layout
   End

  end
END

[Tekunda]

I also think so

Perhaps ignatus is not taking care of this issue, of course with infinite bankroll u can come ahead but in reality things might look totally different

That's why I believe the possible numbers of back to back losses or the seize of the absolut drawdown is equally important.
In our scenario a poster suggested a bankroll of 10k. I totally agree with him.