Winning system

[BP12]

No not yet so I’m thinking of closing down the thread since noone seems to be prepared to invest in it. Well one loosing day in over a month of playing or more I would say is pretty okay though you hate too see it when it comes..

Been thinking of maybe try a leasing system where you have the software for a day or a week or something but dunno if it would work. Will keep the thread open until tomorrow and then I’ll decide what to do.

[Kairomancer]

Maybe it is just me, but I never understood the idea behind closely kept secret systems and hinting clues to drive sales or ego high.

That is just scarcity mentality at its core.
If you have something you like go play it.
I would rather share my ideas than fishing for money. At least some members would try it out and be happy with it, or toss it. Who cares?
The casinos certainly won't. Their profit model is based on the idea that every system is just suckers toys.

Ignatus post his methods on a daily basis. Kudos to him.

Gizmo posted his method in the belief that his method is invincible, yet no one really cares.
Props to him. He has my respect, because he is a cool dude.

[precogmiles]

Maybe it is just me, but I never understood the idea behind closely kept secret systems and hinting clues to drive sales or ego high.

That is just scarcity mentality at its core.
If you have something you like go play it.
I would rather share my ideas than fishing for money. At least some members would try it out and be happy with it, or toss it. Who cares?
The casinos certainly won't. Their profit model is based on the idea that every system is just suckers toys.

Ignatus post his methods on a daily basis. Kudos to him.

Gizmo posted his method in the belief that his method is invincible, yet no one really cares.
Props to him. He has my respect, because he is a cool dude.

I completely agree. Even ignatus posts his systems for the whole world to see and yet the system junkies want to know the "mysterious" system developed by someone posting graphs that look like a simple martingale.

I guess there is an addiction problem on the forum.

I think it is the idea that someone is going to one day post the holy grail and they want to be the first person to go and clean out their casino. It is very delusional but that is what addictions cause.

I recently saw a system on youtube called the nipple system. Yes you read correctly "nipple system".

I hope they get help with their addiction.

[BP12]

Read the thread again and you will understand the reason behind selling it. And I don’t know how many times i need to tell this but I just providing the opportunity for those that’s interested. If your not then it’s totally fine and I’m sure you will fine value of this other guys that i agree doing a great job.

I will never force anybody to buy this from me and I will never just sell it to anybody and leave them with just a software. For me the transaction is a proof of real interest and also a appreciation of my work. Those people I am very keen to help and provide all the knowledge that i have, since they help me increasing my br. I do belive some people could agree on that i am a helpful person, atleast i hope so.

[Kairomancer]

How can you force anybody to buy from you, then claim you are not doing that?

It seems you crave money and being helped rather than the appreciation as you want it in advance. It just does not work that way.

Having said that I have no problem with sellers, I just do not share the scarcity mentality driving them.

[Joe]

If I ever come up with a totally mechanical system which wins consistently (I get good results ATM, but my methods are not completely mechanical), then I wouldn't sell it as a pdf; I wouldn't give the rules at all. I would sell it as a service (SaaS - Software as a Service). So people would have to subscribe to get access to the "predictions". I would give everyone a free trial and then if they were happy with the results naturally they would subscribe, perhaps for just a week or month to see whether the free trial results were just a fluke.

If your system really is a real winner, I believe you would make far more money in the long run selling it like that, with the added advantage that the system rules would never be revealed.

If you can't program, spend some of your winnings on hiring a programmer to set up a site for you.

Anyone selling a system who doesn't agree that this is a more honest way to sell a system, I would want to know why, and I would view them with suspicion.

[Kairomancer]

With Joe's model there is no way to test how he system performs long term. You just have to pay on the notion that the seller claims it to be a winner. You cannot play it in a land based casino. Frankly most system work for 80% of the people, while 20% would suck up all the losses. It is certainly good for the software seller.
It would be only fair if the seller would be liable for his service and pay after losses.

[Joe]

Kairo, It's better for the buyer than shelling out $2,500 and only then finding that you've bought a pile of junk. 

You have a free trial so if it loses from the get go you don't subscribe and it hasn't cost you a penny. Of course if you win on the free trial is doesn't guarantee it's a winner, but the longer you play with good results the more sure you are that it's genuine. So you could subscribe for a week at a time, and it won't cost you much initially. When you're more confident that the system works you will sign up for longer.

You're not restricted to playing online. I'm sure those with some imagination and creativity can think of a way to use the software in a B&M casino.

Of course no seller would be liable for losses. That's a completely unrealistic demand and nobody would expect it.

Your criticisms don't hold much weight. 

[BP12]

Agree Joe. Though I find it frustrating everyone think I’m selling it for $2500 but I guess I have to blame myself for expressing myself poorly..

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking too and I think it would be a good system for both parts. However I don’t know how it would work in reality since it would be pretty time demanding activating and inactivating everyday, but i guess you could automate it in some kind of way.

And thank you for the last part, that way I didn’t have to say it myself lol. Me being responsible for anyone elses losses would be kind of a though demand.

[Joe]

However I don’t know how it would work in reality since it would be pretty time demanding activating and inactivating everyday, but i guess you could automate it in some kind of way.

Yes it would have to be automated. But that wouldn't be a problem providing your system is completely mechanical; that means it would be an algorithm. No discretionary bets or guessing involved.

[BP12]

Yes it is. So i guess it would be possible then.

[Kairomancer]

So you say that betting large martingale bets based on the recommendation of a software based service you know nothing about is realistic without the seller having any liability when it fails.
This idea just invites scammers. It sounds like fair.
Sounds great actually! Where could we sign up for that?

[Steeefan2014]

Actually, I tested for a bit (not more than 1 hour - I didn't had time) BP12's system. For that hour... I can't say that it didn't worked. It has ups and downs, I tested on play money, but in the end it provided profit. Why I didn't paid the man for his job? Simply because I had no time to test it more. BP12 provides a trial version for a limited period of time. In my case... that period of time was pretty full at my job and couldn't test it enough.

Otherwise... I think he should be rewarded for his work if it's a proof that what he done provides a profit to anyone who uses it.

But... that's my opinion...

Agree, there are many on this forum that posts a lot of system. And good ones! Let's not forget Ignatus for how much work is he doing and provides every sistem and RX Code for free. But, I guess that's up to everyone to decide what he/she wants.

[BP12]

So Kairo I guess it seems you have the same problem that precogmiles and some other also have. You are quick to draw conclusions even if you lack all the information or you don’t bother to look it up. You are to impatience and just clicking through a thread without reading through and then you comment on something you don’t actually understand. I think it’s sad and the worst part is that it affecting my thread.

So if I would be responsible for eventual losses that would mean that there would be no risk on the player and all risk on me. If that was the case everyone would buy it since it would be no way of loosing, either you win with the system or you get the loss back from me. Would it make sence to sell it then? I think you know the answer. If you read the thread you will understand that sometimes you will run into losses but eventuellt you will overcome them, that’s why it wins. I will never claim that this way of playing will win 100% of the times since there’s always a risk when playing, but I will say that i do belive that it’s a winning system and it works for me and also Rav it seems.

[BP12]

Also thanks Stefan!

I’m sorry you didn’t have the time to test it out properly but if you want you could email me and maybe we could figure something out.